2022 Twin to STR

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

In my experience either they’re already in STR with the parts from their old STX cars or they’re going to ride out DS until they’re not competitive anymore. Locally I think there’s 5x new cars, three in DS and two in STR, both STR builds are using their mk1 parts for the most part.

There’s less then 10k mk2s on the road at this point vs 100k mk1 cars, seems like a dumb argument to outclass the old cars based on the handful of autoxers who jumped on the new hotness. That’s what nerfed STR participation but what do I know.

Two of those in DS will eventually make their way to ST, either after this year or in another year once this whole ST issue is better figured out.

It made sense for the two of us that went straight to ST. We already had the parts...and we enjoy having front camber.

[otter]

Originally Posted by foshjowler

Miata is should have its own spec class, STMiata.

I've thought for a while that this seems like the next logical step after the success of SSC. Not sure what the class letters should be, though, since SSR and SSM are both taken. SND for Spec ND?

Also, in a year or two it'd be great to see SSC updated to allow all 1st gens and to get an SSC2 for the 2nd gens...........I'd be down for going that route instead of ST*.

[otter]

Originally Posted by G_Ride

Two of those in DS will eventually make their way to ST, either after this year or in another year once this whole ST issue is better figured out.

It made sense for the two of us that went straight to ST. We already had the parts...and we enjoy having front camber.

I intend to go to ST* regardless of where the car sits, likely in 2024. I just need a bit more time for people who are smarter than me to develop the car while I build up the budget.

[foshjowler]

Originally Posted by otter

I've thought for a while that this seems like the next logical step after the success of SSC. Not sure what the class letters should be, though, since SSR and SSM are both taken. SND for Spec ND?

Also, in a year or two it'd be great to see SSC updated to allow all 1st gens and to get an SSC2 for the 2nd gens...........I'd be down for going that route instead of ST*.

I'd be very interested in seeing an SSC2. It's still probably a couple of years out, but I'd order the kit immediately if they do. To me, it's a great balance of being that little bit more aggressive, still being very dailiable, and not breaking the bank on $5k coilovers.

[steverife]

You definitely don't need $5k coilovers in ST.

[DocWalt]

I have $2100 coilovers on mine. Totally happy with them.




I also wrote a proposal for an SSC 2.0... Fixing the weaknesses of the first gen SSC (like the stupid and pointless SPC rear arms and toe bushings, the soft lowering springs, etc) and I'd gladly go run SSC 2.0 instead of STR, getting beaten by the ND a lot is dumb. Sure we can trophy at nats, but winning is out of the question.

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by otter

I intend to go to ST* regardless of where the car sits, likely in 2024. I just need a bit more time for people who are smarter than me to develop the car while I build up the budget.

I don't expect setup to be too different from the first gens.

[strat61caster]

I don’t even know what coilovers I would buy if you gave me $5k to spend on coilovers. I guess call up mcs and buy knobs I don’t need?

[G_Ride]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I don’t even know what coilovers I would buy if you gave me $5k to spend on coilovers. I guess call up mcs and buy knobs I don’t need?

Buy something cheaper, pocket what's left of the $5k

[DocWalt]

I had MCS 2W on my CS/STR ND, I don't miss them. Yes they're built really well and all but I'm happier with my Shaftworks valving. I do kinda want to get them converted to doubles at some point, but meh. Not spending money on something that won't add much/any pace.

[foshjowler]

$5k was an exaggeration, but if I was to get coilovers for ST* I'd likely go with Xidas. Those and MCS are in the $4k price range. Buy once, cry once sort of thing. Even at $2k for coilovers, you could probably get the complete SSC kit, other than tires, for that.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by foshjowler

$5k was an exaggeration, but if I was to get coilovers for ST* I'd likely go with Xidas. Those and MCS are in the $4k price range. Buy once, cry once sort of thing. Even at $2k for coilovers, you could probably get the complete SSC kit, other than tires, for that.

Complete SSC kit is around $4k last I checked, budget stx is a bit over $5k, less if you find good deals, for instance my first header, coils, oft, and second set of wheels I got bargain prices, at one point I had a competent stx car with all the below for ~$4k.

Coils $2k
Front sway $300 with end links
Rear lca $300
Wheels $1,000
Tires $1k
Uel header $600
Oft $400
$5.6k

SSC suspension kit from tirerack: $2.5k
Wheels $600
Tires $700
$3.8k

Originally Posted by G_Ride

Buy something cheaper, pocket what's left of the $5k

Spend it on an OsGiken

[steverife]

I don't care about most of the stuff people talking about here, but...

Originally Posted by DocWalt

Would be funny for the Zs to go back to STR, haha. Considering the SCCA scales are always such broken garbage, not sure I'd want to use a weight split for wheel size, but it would be really interesting.


Oddly, the STS folks I've talked to seem to be like "well, meh, ok." I suspect the Hondas would still be quite competitive with a diff, NA Miatas maybe less so because the VLSD does sorta work?



I think the NB would be a blast in STX, the ECU issues with that limit it a lot which is both nice and annoying.

...but I'd have a super tough decision if the Spyder went to current STX.

[Kelse92]

There’s too many vocal people in STS to make changes to STS IMO.
I think STS would be great with diffs in general honestly, VLSD’s are getting very hard to find.
ST* could use a re-org but one thing at a time SP needs more help first.