Second gen 86 to have 4 hp more than BRZ

[AnalogMan]

There are several stories this morning that the second generation 86 will have 4 hp more than the BRZ:

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-toyota...sub-1846618096

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40055/...and-more-speed

Obviously Toyota is doing this purely for marketing purposes, to be able to claim a 'more powerful' engine. Seems silly, there's no way that you could feel a difference of 4 hp with the same torque in the seat of your pants. Buy hey, 'more powah' is always better.

Interesting that there seems to be a bit of rivalry between Toyota and Subaru on the second gen car.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

There are several stories this morning that the second generation 86 will have 4 hp more than the BRZ:

" but don't be surprised if the U.S.-spec car mirrors the American-market BRZ's 228hp"


Time will tell.....

[nikitopo]

Both GR86 and BRZ presented today have same engine specs.

[Tcoat]

No it doesn't. They just showed the ratings different.

Yosh explained it best
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...6&postcount=26

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No it doesn't. They just showed the ratings different.

Yosh explained it best
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...6&postcount=26

I thought i read somewhere that the 235 PS was equivalent to 232hp, which would equal a 4hp bump (not that it makes a huge difference)

Something is lost in translation though because i believe the Toyota specs says the CR is 12.5 : 1 while Subaru back during the US reveal said its 13.5 : 1

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I thought i read somewhere that the 235 PS was equivalent to 232hp, which would equal a 4hp bump (not that it makes a huge difference)

Something is lost in translation though because i believe the Toyota specs says the CR is 12.5 : 1 while Subaru back during the US reveal said its 13.5 : 1

They will be the exact same engine and specs.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They will be the exact same engine and specs.

YES but...who has the right numbers?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

YES but...who has the right numbers?

[chipmunk]

My understanding is that only the JDM spec gets that 4 extra HP. I have not heard anything so far that US models will have 2 different outputs

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

YES but...who has the right numbers?

Lol, the big question that... well... really doesn't matter. Moral is they will be the same. If I were to trust any rating posted, it would be their 173kW, which equates to approximately 232HP. Interestingly 152kW for the previous gen equates to nearly 204HP, which doesn't quite match up either.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

My understanding is that only the JDM spec gets that 4 extra HP. I have not heard anything so far that US models will have 2 different outputs

No

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Lol, the big question that... well... really doesn't matter. Moral is they will be the same. If I were to trust any rating posted, it would be their 173kW, which equates to approximately 232HP.

This ^

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No

Not out of the realm of possibility,

The last gen Celica had 190hp in Europe/Japan but 180hp in America
Exact same car though.

So its just possible that the JDM spec car is rated at 232 and the american car is rated at 228.

But i wouldnt bet on it being a 86 having 232 vs BRZ with 228. The difference is likely a region thing. I dont think it changes any performance metrics though.

[Blighty]

Its probably fuel related rather than emissions. Premium fuel in japan is very good.