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View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one 28 12.56%
I might get one if they offer a MT 87 39.01%
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Old 03-05-2020, 01:21 PM   #1933
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If you guys are comparing a Camaro to a Supra, it's a bit moot. They look VASTLY different. I personally think the Camaro looks like a turd and the Supra looks wonderful. There will be an equal number of people thinking the exact opposite. I would probably prefer the Supra interior cause I really dislike the old school gauge cluster on the Camaro. Everything is just big and bulky and American. The only selling point over the Supra is the option of a manual gearbox. Both have crap visibility. I highly doubt there are too many people cross-shopping the two. The demographic groups the two cars cater to are completely different, have different likes and brand loyalties, american muscle vs JDM. The Camaro never even crosses my mind, and I don't care how good it apparently is, I would just never buy it. I don't like the looks, I don't like the interior, I don't like the idea of driving a Chevrolet. With the Supra, I don't like that it's auto. If I won it in a raffle, I'd keep it. I like it but I wouldn't pay money to own one.
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I was a Toyota fanboy once too.. ended in the 90s lol
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Eh, I'm not a devoted "fanboy" to any brand.

I've owned cars from Honda/Acura, Mitsubishi, Ford, VW, Nissan and Mazda. None were terrible, none were great. They each had their strengths and weaknesses.

I've had a old Jetta VR6 that had no engine issues whatsoever for over 90k miles but had a new Honda J30 V6 that had, according to the dealer, "bent valves from kissing the top of a cylinder" (poor factory adjustment?) which was replaced under warranty at just 5k miles!

You can get a lemon from Lexus and a Chevy that'll last a lifetime without any issues. There is no so-called "curse" Lol.

Personally, I love the Supra. Yes, I'm a diehard manual fan, but I'd give it up for that sweet ZF. It's proportions and looks are perfect, to me, since it's all subjective anyway. I'd just get an extended warranty if I were to keep it a long time - because BMW. Lol.

However, when it comes to "large" sports cars, I prefer the interior of the Mustang to the Camaro, but prefer the Camaro's exterior design to the Mustang.

No, I'm not a GM hater. I actually prefer the C7 to the C8. Lol. Heck, I'd even buy a mid-engined Fiero if they'd bring it back! I just don't like "sports cars" that are over 180" in length - just a preference.
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Uhmm in what world do you believe that one can't left foot brake in a Camaro? Cause I do it several times every track day. And throttle management depends on mode but it's very consistent. :shrug:

It's just hilarious to me that you even use the word research when you claimed you could get a Cressida with a 2JZ from the factory.
I didn't mean to say it was impossible. I used the word 'can't' to give you the piss (like you did about people who don't prefer manuals over DCTs and autos) You actually said people would buy a Supra over a Camaro because they can't drive a manual. I just think you can't (there's that word again) really modulate as sensitively or frequently as well when you have to integrate operating a clutch pedal too. Not as ideal or intuitive imho.

As for the 2JZ Cressida, that was my mistake. I had a friend when I was younger that had a 2JZ Cressida that wanted to upgrade to a GTE so I assumed incorrectly way back that he had a stock configuration. The 1JZ was the latest the Cressida got in most recent guise. I'm happy to admit I made a mistake on a specific detail unlike someone else that likes to parade around like a Boss regardless of not owning up to any errors in logic, grammar, economics, history or reading comprehension. Regardless, that's something they should work on in their own time and space.

My main gripe with the modern pony cars is they aren't pony cars anymore, more like Clydesdales. Effing huge! I've fantasized of the modern Camaro or Mustang in 3/4's scale and weight. I'd easily reconsider dropping cash on those if they were just smaller and lighter despite all the other things I don't like about them.

And yeah the 86 engine recall was a total fuck up. Thankfully I was not part of that VIN range; and I never let dealers or anyone else work on any of my cars anyway. I got ASE's way back just so I could be independent and free of bad techs and stealership antics and my best friend is a Lexus master tech. We used to laff at all the Mercedes AMGs next door that would have to pull and replace engines consistently. They kept a decent inventory of crate engines. Normally not an ideal scenario, but definitely preferable to a Subie tech messing up your car due to sheer negligence and giving it back to you. That is freaking awful. Akio definitely needs to have some fresh words with some employees who don't live at the track.
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I didn't mean to say it was impossible. I used the word 'can't' to give you the piss (like you did about people who don't prefer manuals over DCTs and autos) You actually said people would buy a Supra over a Camaro because they can't drive a manual. I just think you can't (there's that word again) really modulate as sensitively or frequently as well when you have to integrate operating a clutch pedal too. Not as ideal or intuitive imho.
I said "can't" because that's the only reason a Zupra would be a better car IMO To me, the Zupra is pointless at it's price range. Probably why I don't see many on the street (I've only seen one on the street, and it was being test driven based on the window sticker still being stuck to the window). Other areas will vary of course. Left foot braking hasn't been an issue on any MT car I've owned except for the Focus RS I had.. that didn't work too well there but it had nothing to do with the transmission.

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My main gripe with the modern pony cars is they aren't pony cars anymore, more like Clydesdales. Effing huge! I've fantasized of the modern Camaro or Mustang in 3/4's scale and weight. I'd easily reconsider dropping cash on those if they were just smaller and lighter despite all the other things I don't like about them.
They are bigish.. but that's what most buyers want. Hell most Americans probably consider them to be "small" cars ha. The weight is fairly invisible though on the alpha platform cars. The Mustang on the other hand.. not so much.. and on the 5th gen Camaro.. yeah not so much there either. Charger/Challenger aren't even pony cars so I'll ignore those massive machines.

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And yeah the 86 engine recall was a total fuck up. Thankfully I was not part of that VIN range; and I never let dealers or anyone else work on any of my cars anyway. I got ASE's way back just so I could be independent and free of bad techs and stealership antics and my best friend is a Lexus master tech. We used to laff at all the Mercedes AMGs next door that would have to pull and replace engines consistently. They kept a decent inventory of crate engines. Normally not an ideal scenario, but definitely preferable to a Subie tech messing up your car due to sheer negligence and giving it back to you. That is freaking awful. Akio definitely needs to have some fresh words with some employees who don't live at the track.
On the plus side, my next FR-S track car arrived nice and cheap thanks to a Toyota dealer destroying the engine. Only 27,000 miles on that car.. so there's that.
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They are bigish.. but that's what most buyers want. Hell most Americans probably consider them to be "small" cars ha. The weight is fairly invisible though on the alpha platform cars. The Mustang on the other hand.. not so much.. and on the 5th gen Camaro.. yeah not so much there either. Charger/Challenger aren't even pony cars so I'll ignore those massive machines.
What cars aren't "biggish" now? If this was even 30 years ago the 86 would be probably considerably smaller and lighter.
Mustangs and Camaros were never small and light unless you consider the Fox Body Mustang and I prefer to pretend that creation never existed.

The Challenger has never ever been a Pony car and calling that 4 door travesty a "Charger" is a crime against humanity that can never be forgiven.
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What cars aren't "biggish" now? If this was even 30 years ago the 86 would be probably considerably smaller and lighter.
Nope. The 1990 FT86 was the S13 240SX. Same size, same weight. The End.
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The only car that has gotten smaller (compared to its replaced gen) is the ND.

I really wish cars came in different sizes like clothes. Cars nowadays are Large/XL. They should offer a scaled down 9/16th scale in Meadium.

When will the Supra get a proper dual clutch transmission?
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The only car that has gotten smaller (compared to its replaced gen) is the ND.
The 6th gen Camaro is smaller and lighter than the 5th gen.
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The 6th gen Camaro is smaller and lighter than the 5th gen.
Well.. I mean it's still a husky car.
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Well.. I mean it's still a husky car.
Which wasnt your point
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If you guys are comparing a Camaro to a Supra, it's a bit moot. They look VASTLY different. I personally think the Camaro looks like a turd and the Supra looks wonderful. There will be an equal number of people thinking the exact opposite. I would probably prefer the Supra interior cause I really dislike the old school gauge cluster on the Camaro. Everything is just big and bulky and American. The only selling point over the Supra is the option of a manual gearbox. Both have crap visibility. I highly doubt there are too many people cross-shopping the two. The demographic groups the two cars cater to are completely different, have different likes and brand loyalties, american muscle vs JDM. The Camaro never even crosses my mind, and I don't care how good it apparently is, I would just never buy it. I don't like the looks, I don't like the interior, I don't like the idea of driving a Chevrolet. With the Supra, I don't like that it's auto. If I won it in a raffle, I'd keep it. I like it but I wouldn't pay money to own one.
It's really not a moot point. I only know one person that has purchased a new Supra. And his previous car was a Camaro. An SS 1LE, which he unfortunately crashed. If he wasn't interested in the Zupra then he probably would have gotten another Camaro.
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It's really not a moot point. I only know one person that has purchased a new Supra. And his previous car was a Camaro. An SS 1LE, which he unfortunately crashed. If he wasn't interested in the Zupra then he probably would have gotten another Camaro.
I'm sure there are outliers, but I think - in North America at least - the automotive industry is a very bi-partisan affair.
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The only car that has gotten smaller (compared to its replaced gen) is the ND.
Technically the new Supra has as well. May be taller and wider, but it's shorter and lighter.

Gen 4
Wheelbase: 100.4 in
Length: 177.7 in
Width: 71.3 in
Height: 50.2 in
Passenger volume: 72 cu ft
Cargo volume: 10 cu ft
Curb weight: 3480 lb

Gen 5
Wheelbase: 97.2 in
Length: 172.5 in
Width: 73.0 in
Height: 50.9 in
Passenger volume: 51 cu ft
Cargo volume: 10 cu ft
Curb weight: 3372 lb

As for the DCT, likely never. DCTs are typically longer so some cutting would probably have to be involved. But I'd be down if they could manage it!
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