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Old 03-04-2020, 04:23 PM   #1919
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apparently people who don't like the current Supra....

I like it and don't give a rat's ass as long as people aren't telling car manufacturers I deserve less choices cuz of their fantasies of what a 'flagship' should be.

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(and LOL at your notion that I'm a C8 basher. Cuz I stated it's bigger and heavier than the last two? You're funny when simple facts turn you into such a passionate hater. I'd be happy to make you a list of issues I have with every car so you could implode. You must have selectively erased memory of my critiques of the Supra and 86 for some reason. Hmmm... I'd be happy to take both the C8 and Supra but for different reasons and utility. They don't really play in the same field or compete with each other for my desires. They do for others somehow, that's their business. I wouldn't pay more than $45k for a Supra and no new C8 will cost that. Supra is a better daily driver in realistic traffic and store hauler with canyon carving and straight line ability, C8 is outright track level performance playing in the 160-210mph range that can do GT duties and non aggressive daily use if you have a big ass parking spot and little traffic during commutes. Sadly my C8 money has been shifted to the Cybertruck atm. Go big or go home. )
For $45k, or less really, a Camaro SS 1LE is a far better car. And manual. So I guess if you can't drive a manual then the BMW is the better car for you.

Whatever though I'm certainly not the target market for the Supra.
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For $45k, or less really, a Camaro SS 1LE is a far better car. And manual. So I guess if you can't drive a manual then the BMW is the better car for you.

Whatever though I'm certainly not the target market for the Supra.
Agreed. For a pure track car nothing beats the ss 1le

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*long-winded fanboy essay*
Damn. I must be doing something right if I could piss you off to the point you have to spout some drivel about Toyota history. Stopped reading after you said you could get a factory 2JZ in a Cressida BTW, except for the part where you want to present graphs, articles, etc. Please, be my guest.

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apparently people who don't like the current Supra....

I like it and don't give a rat's ass as long as people aren't telling car manufacturers I deserve less choices cuz of their fantasies of what a 'flagship' should be.

I just want to drive and enjoy shit with wheels.
That's good that you like the Supra. Never heard of anyone telling car makers you deserve less choices, just people with valid opinions about the new Supra, good and bad. Gotta take 'em both, buddy. This isn't an echo chamber.
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Agreed. For a pure track car nothing beats the ss 1le

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Once you adjust the mirrors it's actually a great street car also (gets rid of the #1 complaint about the car).

31mpg @70mph with CC set. Very usable power. 2SS gets you heated and cooled seats, plus heated steering wheel. Great seats. Truck is usable but the opening does suck. Backseat folds down for access though. Has backseats unlike the Supra, although usefulness is debatable..

It's actually a fantastic car for the money in my experience.

Now.. the ZL1 1LE.. it shows an average MPG over the last 400 miles of 4.1mpg... oh well.
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Damn. I must be doing something right if I could piss you off to the point you have to spout some drivel about Toyota history. Stopped reading after you said you could get a factory 2JZ in a Cressida BTW, except for the part where you want to present graphs, articles, etc. Please, be my guest.

What was that about moving on now?
LOL I didn't read his essay.. but as a Cressida enthusiast and owner.. wtf.
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@abraxis, are you aware that the legendary Toyota 2000GT, widely regarded as Japan's first supercar, has a motor that isn't too far off from what you could find in other Toyota passenger cars of that time period? Just an FYI to do some research before labeling the Supra as unworthy of being a flagship sports car.
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For $45k, or less really, a Camaro SS 1LE is a far better car. And manual. So I guess if you can't drive a manual then the BMW is the better car for you.

Whatever though I'm certainly not the target market for the Supra.
not into big fat heavy cars. too each their own. the physical dimensions are just too large to enjoy in the canyons or in congested traffic. not my style of driving. would make more sense to save up 15k more and get the C8. assuming I could live with the Chinese made parts and QC issues like stitching and paint. But I guess if one can't left foot brake and prefers the fun of slower lap times of manuals versus consistent trail braking and throttle management, the Camaro could be an option.

For daily driving the Supra is better imho.

Better 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, braking 70-0, lateral Gs, more MPG, tighter turning circle, 16 inches shorter, easier to park, easier to cut thru traffic, larger trunk and 10dB quieter at idle and 70mph cruise than the Camaro. Toyota support versus GM. Sounds like a better daily driver for my needs. And if I want a track car I'm getting the C8. Assuming it's a high speed track like COTA or Buttonwillow. Supra would be more fun on Streets of Willow. I'd venture to guess the Supra is actually stiffer than the C8 chassis. Would be curious to see the comparison. Could be wrong.

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@abraxis, are you aware that the legendary Toyota 2000GT, widely regarded as Japan's first supercar, has a motor that isn't too far off from what you could find in other Toyota passenger cars of that time period? Just an FYI to do some research before labeling the Supra as unworthy of being a flagship sports car.
Lol, the engine you probably didn't know was made by Yamaha for Nissan and how the 2000GT was an aborted project with Nissan (due to Z-car) that Toyota picked up and finalized? Do you have any idea what the production numbers were of the 2000GT and how rare it was? Do you know how many speed records the 2000GT broke when it came out? Do have any idea wtf you are even trying to say comparing the the 2000GT with the Supra?? What a joke dude.

The funny thing about the 2JZ and the Supra was it wasn't legendary for how it came from the factory, but how it was tuned by the aftermarket and tuners. In stock form, few people liked it and even fewer people bought it. And it's greatest claim to popular fame was being in a bad movie. The 2000GT was an instant classic. All these granular details and contexts might be too much for you to absorb, but try to keep up. I'll save you some 'research'.

The fact you think it's not okay to compare the LFA to the Supra and is okay to compare the 2000GT to the Supra displays exactly how silly and random your analyses are. You have zero coherence or consistency which is why you should actually move on like you recommended a few posts before you decided you couldn't actually take your own advice. LOL!! Keep it up!

What do you want to talk about next? Look forward to your next random post while you pretend to not read any actual responses to your bad arguments so you can save face; or just being educated by you on these car thingies from your next google search ('research').

Still waiting for you to figure out how to move on....

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That's good that you like the Supra. Never heard of anyone telling car makers you deserve less choices, just people with valid opinions about the new Supra, good and bad. Gotta take 'em both, buddy. This isn't an echo chamber.
Do you ever read your own words? Just curious....seriously. You seem to think you have a monopoly on revisionism and incoherence as a truth. it's weird as heck. I also don't think you actually know what term 'valid' means as a deductive form of logic. You'd be lucky to attain 'cogent' on a good day it seems.

research that sometime instead of trolling yourself in this thread some more. move on dude.
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Lol, the engine you probably didn't know was made by Yamaha for Nissan and how the 2000GT was an aborted project with Nissan (due to Z-car) that Toyota picked up and finalized? Do you have any idea what the production numbers were of the 2000GT and how rare it was? Do you know how many speed records the 2000GT broke when it came out? Do have any idea wtf you are even trying to say comparing the the 2000GT with the Supra?? What a joke dude.

The funny thing about the 2JZ and the Supra was it wasn't legendary for how it came from the factory, but how it was tuned by the aftermarket and tuners. In stock form, few people liked it and even fewer people bought it. And it's greatest claim to popular fame was being in a bad movie. The 2000GT was an instant classic. All these granular details and contexts might be too much for you to absorb, but try to keep up. I'll save you some 'research'.

The fact you think it's not okay to compare the LFA to the Supra and is okay to compare the 2000GT to the Supra displays exactly how silly and random your analyses are. You have zero coherence or consistency which is why you should actually move on like you recommended a few posts before you decided you couldn't actually take your own advice. LOL!! Keep it up!

What do you want to talk about next? Look forward to your next random post while you pretend to not read any actual responses to your bad arguments so you can save face; or just being educated by you on these car thingies from your next google search ('research').

Still waiting for you to figure out how to move on....
At this point I stopped taking you seriously after your botched attempt at schooling me on Toyota history. A factory 2JZ in a Cressida? bruh.

Not comparing anything, BTW. Just bringing up the fact that by your own logic, the 2000GT doesn't deserve its place as Toyota's flagship. For as much as the car is famous for its accomplishments (and gasp, a James Bond movie), that doesn't change the fact that the motor shares its parts with Toyota passenger cars, just like the Supra shares its motor with several other Toyota/Lexus models.

If it makes you feel better, I'll stop replying to you, because you've proven to me that you're incapable of having a civil discussion, you're making assumptions and putting words in my mouth, and you're factually wrong on basic Toyota history. I don't intend on derailing the thread with such a fruitless argument that will amount to nothing but your essay-long rants, and I wouldn't wish this on anybody else wanting to read through the thread.

You're free to keep replying to me though; I wasn't really trying to troll you initially, but after your essay, I kind of was. And clearly, it worked. See you later, abraxis!
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not into big fat heavy cars. too each their own. the physical dimensions are just too large to enjoy in the canyons or in congested traffic. not my style of driving. would make more sense to save up 15k more and get the C8. assuming I could live with the Chinese made parts and QC issues like stitching and paint. But I guess if one can't left foot brake and prefers the fun of slower lap times of manuals versus consistent trail braking and throttle management, the Camaro could be an option.
Uhmm in what world do you believe that one can't left foot brake in a Camaro? Cause I do it several times every track day. And throttle management depends on mode but it's very consistent. :shrug:

And.. I'd sadly rather have Chinese parts than German parts. Been there, done that, have the credit card receipts for more than the car cost.

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I haven't driven a Zupra yet.. and no desire because of the automatic. But I'd find that hard to believe based on experience with the Camaro IMHO.

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GM support has been great. For the rare engine issue on Camaro's, even ZL1s, at the track GM doesn't even question replacing the engine. Meanwhile, toyota techs f%ck up FR-S engines during recall and give the owner a bill for a new engine. Not sure I'd prefer that wonderful Toyota support but to each their own.

I focus more on fun to drive and the Camaro is more fun to drive IMO than the 86 is. Again, haven't driven a Zupra.. and likely won't unless one actually shows up to the track and I get curious and the owner is willing. Otherwise the Zupra could cease to exist tomorrow and I wouldn't even remember it ever existed except for threads about it.

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It's just hilarious to me that you even use the word research when you claimed you could get a Cressida with a 2JZ from the factory.
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@abraxis is in for a big surprise if he tried to beat an SS off the line with a Supra on public streets.

Camaro SS is almost a second faster in the real world 5-60 mph acceleration measurement. Over 20% faster.
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