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View Poll Results: Which of the following options have you decided upon for this much discussed Gen1 201
No torque dip specific modifications: It doesn't bother me. 67 25.38%
No torque dip specific modifications: I don't want any potential future warranty issues due to mods. 26 9.85%
OFT tune 28 10.61%
UEL Header (Which one?) 14 5.30%
UEL header + OFT tune 100 37.88%
Something else: Please specify. 19 7.20%
Wait for the performance results of the 2017 model before deciding. 10 3.79%
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Old 06-24-2016, 02:13 PM   #43
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It worked for me. When you use it the first time let me know if you smell any kind of burning smell coming from the cable. OFT said it was normal but I am not so sure.
No problem. According to the tracking #, i will get it tomorrow.
Then I will keep you update!
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Old 06-24-2016, 02:35 PM   #44
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He is talking about the dip in torque around 3500 RPMS where you lose 5 TQ.
Yeah i wish it was perfectly flat. But it's nearly there.
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Yeah i wish it was perfectly flat. But it's nearly there.


One of the better dyno graphs I've seen for "minimal" mods. What is done to it?
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I'd work on point 3 and I don't mean to take one for a test drive, I mean go rent one for a few days.

Do your daily commute in it if possible and take it for a mini road trip on a weekend. The after market have several options to fix or work around just about any perceived problem on our cars, but you shouldn't modify a car based on other peoples opinions alone.

Own one and after some proper seat time you will arrive at what mods will make your ownership experience more satisfying.
Understood. It's terrific that the twins are so well supported by the aftermarket. However, aftermarket solutions add to the total cost of ownership and can sometimes affect the warranty and/or emissions regulations.

1. The twins are not a very common a car. Where can one typically rent one other than perhaps a dealer?

2. Is there a torque dip solution that won't affect the warranty or emissions testing and that won't increase the cabin noise level or attract unwanted attention due to a loud exhaust system?
3. How much should I budget for such a solution?

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Old 06-25-2016, 02:55 PM   #47
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I think this entire thread is kinda pointless. I'd work on point 3 and I don't mean to take one for a test drive, I mean go rent one for a few days.

Do your daily commute in it if possible and take it for a mini road trip on a weekend. The after market have several options to fix or work around just about any perceived problem on our cars, but you shouldn't modify a car based on other peoples opinions alone.

Own one and after some proper seat time you will arrive at what mods will make your ownership experience more satisfying.
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3. I haven't yet had the pleasure of driving the twins.


Jesus, please listen to @Mim. If you haven't even driven this car yet, and are already complaining about the torque dip based on other peoples opinions then you aren't looking at this car the right way, or doing proper research into purchasing a +$24k asset. You've essentially wasted everyone's time by complaining about something you haven't felt in person yet, also your opinion during the test drive may be tainted by the fact you'll be looking for the torque dip the entire time.
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Old 06-25-2016, 03:16 PM   #48
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FRSBRZGT86FAN, Please understand, I'm not complaining. I'm asking questions because I'm interested. The FR-S / BRZ are very appealing and have many positive qualities. I understand they're fun-to-drive sporty cars as opposed to expensive gas-guzzling high-performance sports cars. I'm looking for a reliable, affordable, fun-to-drive sporty car. As a life-long Toyota customer, I'm very pleased Toyota and Subaru have collaborated to offer the FR-S/BRZ.

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Old 06-25-2016, 04:39 PM   #49
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FRSBRZGT86FAN, Please understand, I'm not complaining. I'm asking questions because I'm interested. The FR-S / BRZ are very appealing and have many positive qualities. I understand they're fun-to-drive sporty cars as opposed to expensive gas-guzzling high-performance sports cars. I'm looking for a reliable, affordable, fun-to-drive sporty car. As a life-long Toyota customer, I'm very pleased Toyota and Subaru have collaborated to offer the FR-S/BRZ.
Then forget you ever heard about the torque dip. I repeat it looks bad on paper but is nothing in real life. Some guys just blow it way out of proportion.
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To me, the torque dip is a minor annoyance. Daily driving around town, where I don't generally feel like revving the snot out of it, I think my stock BRZ has a nice amount of torque but I wish the useable torque band was a bit wider, i.e. I regularly shift just as the engine reaches the dip. Driving at higher speed on the highway, where I don't mind ringing it out, the torque is just fine.

The torque dip is only a big deal if you get caught in the wrong gear and need to accelerate. So the trick is not to get caught in the wrong gear! This car really makes you pay attention.
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It worked for me. When you use it the first time let me know if you smell any kind of burning smell coming from the cable. OFT said it was normal but I am not so sure.
So, I installed OFT today, and i have drove for 1 hour something.
I didn't smell anything burning so far.
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The only time I've felt the torque dip is during autocross where I am forced to slow down into a hard corner or risk running into cones. RPMs drop under the where the dip begins then once I straighten out, I mash the pedal and away I go.


Other than that, it really is no big deal especially if you are simply canyon carving or commuting.
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Understood. It's terrific that the twins are so well supported by the aftermarket. However, aftermarket solutions add to the total cost of ownership and can sometimes affect the warranty and/or emissions regulations.

1. The twins are not a very common a car. Where can one typically rent one other than perhaps a dealer?

2. Is there a torque dip solution that won't affect the warranty or emissions testing and that won't increase the cabin noise level or attract unwanted attention due to a loud exhaust system?
3. How much should I budget for such a solution?

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Perhaps us folk from the land down under have it a little better than others https://www.hertz.com.au/rentacar/pr...adrenaline.jsp

You realize there is nothing broken about the car? Hundreds of thousands of people from around the world drive the car stock and are totally satisfied.

I care about factory warranty, but still viewed all the mods in my signature as having negligible impact on it and some change the handling, throttle response and improve acceleration, but introduce no added emissions or NVH. At the end of the day any mod can effect your factory warranty. If still wanting to go ahead and mod anyway then its a game of performing due diligence around what impact a mod will have on the car's reliability and if it's worth the risk of making it. For instance I will not touch the ECU so flashing is out of the question. This, by extension, rules out going for headers, which remove the torque dip. Risks with moding can also be mitigated by having professionals install the top quality parts you purchase.

Everyone's view on acceptable risk is different, but at the end of the day if this is going to be a daily driver then wait for the MY17 cars and just buy the latest most up to date iteration and enjoy it as is. It has quite a few updates over the past releases and will likely keep you happy for the handful of years its covered by warranty.
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Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that
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Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that
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To me, the torque dip is a minor annoyance. Daily driving around town, where I don't generally feel like revving the snot out of it, I think my stock BRZ has a nice amount of torque but I wish the useable torque band was a bit wider, i.e. I regularly shift just as the engine reaches the dip. Driving at higher speed on the highway, where I don't mind ringing it out, the torque is just fine.

The torque dip is only a big deal if you get caught in the wrong gear and need to accelerate. So the trick is not to get caught in the wrong gear! This car really makes you pay attention.
Fantastic point! I don't mind the torque dip as it's really just part of the whole fun of learning the characteristics of your car and, though I drive an A/T, I still need to pay attention to the gear and RPM's I'm at (while in sports mode) if I want to avoid the dip.

When I updated the final drive ratio it was specifically to increase low down torque and improve throttle response, not anything to do with fixing the dip, but in retrospect it helped mask it to an extent as each gear became shorter / accelerated faster. The tiny torque dip window effectively became smaller and less noticeable.
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