|
BRZ Second-Gen (2022+) -- General Topics General topics for the second-gen BRZ |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
04-27-2023, 02:08 PM | #15 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2021
Drives: 2015 FRS for daily and track use
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 82
Thanks: 14
Thanked 204 Times in 51 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
|
04-27-2023, 04:03 PM | #16 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Drives: '23 BRZ Limited
Location: OKC, OK
Posts: 1,997
Thanks: 665
Thanked 1,238 Times in 709 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Yeah, the OEMs are much better at optimizing things from the factory these days.
It's not like the Fox-body/SN95 days, where you could do a CAI, Throttle Body, header and full exhaust and pick 35%hp and 45%tq.
__________________
"95% of the time, more throttle is the answer. 5% of the time, it ends the suspense."
|
05-02-2023, 02:01 PM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2016
Drives: 16 Silver BRZ, 04 Silver WRX wagon
Location: Rockland county, NY
Posts: 1,417
Thanks: 183
Thanked 771 Times in 442 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Go UEL for sound more than anything, if you like the subie rumble. If not get EL. The power difference is not earth shattering and likely only matters if you are racing competitively.
|
05-02-2023, 06:12 PM | #18 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2022
Drives: 2023 brz limited 6mt red
Location: Greenville sc
Posts: 177
Thanks: 153
Thanked 141 Times in 73 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
I see no point in doing exhaust but if I do definitely uel first. Ye olde 4 banger sound gets old. “Bro el header makes these cars sound deep (hits vape pen) it doesn’t sound like a normal 4 cylinder.”
__________________
2023 brz red limited 6mt 10k miles ish
2009 Chrysler 5.7l hemi eagle 300c heritage edition 205k miles Last edited by vindiesel; 05-02-2023 at 06:14 PM. Reason: Cotton candy |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to vindiesel For This Useful Post: | soundman98 (05-03-2023) |
05-03-2023, 06:04 AM | #19 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Drives: WR Blue Pearl 2022 Subaru BRZ
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 818
Thanks: 790
Thanked 517 Times in 274 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I assume they are tongue in cheek calling this the "ultimate" UEL/EL shootout.
One UEL header they have been tuning for the car over time, one EL they pop on and go bang (they lost top end on their "tune"), and one more that wasn't actually tested on the car. I was enjoying his videos, but this one just seems a bit rubbish. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Blighty For This Useful Post: | StormTrooper (05-06-2023) |
05-04-2023, 07:27 AM | #20 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Drives: JRSC BRZ SOLD
Location: Ohio
Posts: 939
Thanks: 680
Thanked 739 Times in 396 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Anywho, the 2.4 is certainly responding differently than the 2.0, with their particular tune at least. BUT, the 2.4l has also been saddle with headers designed for an engine 20% smaller so theres that. E85 is still looking like the best bang for the buck, no surprise. |
|
05-04-2023, 07:37 AM | #21 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2020
Drives: 22 BRZ limited
Location: Clarksville TN
Posts: 1,198
Thanks: 219
Thanked 1,004 Times in 530 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
05-04-2023, 08:15 AM | #23 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2020
Drives: 22 BRZ limited
Location: Clarksville TN
Posts: 1,198
Thanks: 219
Thanked 1,004 Times in 530 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I'm not talking about the stock headers.
__________________
|
05-04-2023, 09:06 AM | #24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Drives: JRSC BRZ SOLD
Location: Ohio
Posts: 939
Thanks: 680
Thanked 739 Times in 396 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I am trying to explain that it clearly makes a difference because OEM made a design change so it applies to aftermarket designs as well. I referenced them to substantiate my claim. JDL is redesigning their EL header with slightly larger primaries for the 2.4l as well.
|
The Following User Says Thank You to PulsarBeeerz For This Useful Post: | Blighty (05-06-2023) |
05-04-2023, 09:23 AM | #25 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: '22 BRZ
Location: PA
Posts: 1,871
Thanks: 2,344
Thanked 1,530 Times in 793 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
JDL was one of very few aftermarket headers that made headers with big enough runners to adapt to a second gen in the first place. I'm surprised the Tomei did as well as it did on this dyno, I've seen it *lose* power up top on other second gens because it can't flow enough.
__________________
|
The Following User Says Thank You to DocWalt For This Useful Post: | D_Thissen (05-04-2023) |
05-05-2023, 01:10 AM | #26 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2021
Drives: 2015 FRS for daily and track use
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 82
Thanks: 14
Thanked 204 Times in 51 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
More than happy to tune and optimize headers as I come across them and if manufacturers send them in on our development car. We've had a pretty good sample and have spent many hours on the dyno optimizing each setup and controlling for variables. The numbers and measurements don't lie - I am not in any camp here - sharing the information objectively. We don't design headers but we do certainly know how to optimize a calibration.
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Strat_FRS For This Useful Post: | DocWalt (05-05-2023), D_Thissen (05-05-2023), OND (05-10-2023), simpleisbest (05-08-2023), vindiesel (05-05-2023) |
05-06-2023, 03:33 AM | #27 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Drives: WR Blue Pearl 2022 Subaru BRZ
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 818
Thanks: 790
Thanked 517 Times in 274 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
"Super Ultimate UEL/EL header shootout"? /s More seriously, with the amount of pulls and tuning you did for your original header, do you think that there is a potential bias within the mapping? Its not like you went through much of the process of what you would change for a EUL or EL tune, and any things you found with that. Last edited by Blighty; 05-06-2023 at 03:45 AM. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Blighty For This Useful Post: | StormTrooper (05-06-2023) |
05-06-2023, 07:06 PM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Drives: Pavement MT GR86
Location: The Berg Oregon
Posts: 959
Thanks: 146
Thanked 207 Times in 150 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Personally I think a better test would be to get as many NA modified cars as reasonably possible at a dyno day and see what happens.
Doesn't make sense that nothing would be lost by going UEL when the car stock uses EL and pretty much every similar car makes more on the top with EL. Maybe those headers require more tuning? maybe higher octane fuel limits gains. Just doesn't make sense that the cheapest UEL is the best option.
__________________
GR86 MT premium
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Sound Deadener Showdown | SkyeHack | Electronics | Audio | NAV | Infotainment | 6 | 09-27-2018 10:14 PM |
Summer showdown jul 4-5 | Xtreme-86 | Southeast | 2 | 06-29-2015 01:16 AM |
BRZ vs. FR-S Restomod Showdown | switchlanez | BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics | 28 | 05-17-2013 09:15 AM |
Sound Deadening Showdown | DatDudeLoso | Electronics | Audio | NAV | Infotainment | 15 | 03-02-2013 03:22 AM |
FT86 ancestors get it on! Touge Showdown | Rampage | Other Vehicles & General Automotive Discussions | 0 | 06-19-2012 01:51 PM |