Another way of starting from 1st gear..help

[tintumz22]

Hello guys.. I just want to learn this kind of starting from First gear.. But I know it takes practice but a vid can really be a help for me.. just trying to get help from this good community.. (But i know how to do the normal start of a manual car)

I saw this post from another site and heard this from a video here somewhere where he is doing a demo of a product but notice "heard the sound of engine" how he start from first coming from a stop(but can't find the vid already).. this is the post I read.. "punch the gas pedal once or twice" punch it so the RPM's climb some and take your foot off the gas pedal but still have it there"(meaning foot is not steadily revving the engine in a certain rpm?like a usual start). As the engine starts to Rev down, you are disengaging the clutch ">slowly<" . Even if the car is starting to move, you are still in the process of letting go of the clutch pedal."

Just want to learn.. Thanks!

[steeloyangster]

There are a ton of techniques for how to drive a manual. A lot of people like to blip the throttle and ease off the clutch to get the car moving. Me personally, I slowly lift off the clutch and give it the tiniest bit of gas so that the engine doesn't stall. Then once it is moving, I give it more gas and slowly lift off the clutch.

One way that I have taught A LOT of people on how to drive stick was to go to a flat area, and tell them don't even worry about the gas pedal. Start the car, then put it in first gear, then slowly lift off the clutch. Once you feel the car moving forward slowly, and I mean slowly, let it out a little bit more. Once the car is moving slightly faster, then you're free to let off the clutch pedal and push on the gas.

First Gear and Reverse Gear are the hardest gears to get into. Especially on hills. But you want to start learning where your friction point in your clutch is. The friction point is the area of the movement of the clutch that your pressure plate engages the flywheel. Basically, when the car starts to move.

Getting into first gear, especially going uphill, is like playing a guitar or riding a bike. It's 99% muscle memory. The more practice, the better. Just be sure you understand the mechanics of what is happening before you go practicing going up hills. I hate scaring people, but it is very easy to burn out a clutch if you aren't driving it right.

[tintumz22]

Originally Posted by steeloyangster

There are a ton of techniques for how to drive a manual. A lot of people like to blip the throttle and ease off the clutch to get the car moving. Me personally, I slowly lift off the clutch and give it the tiniest bit of gas so that the engine doesn't stall. Then once it is moving, I give it more gas and slowly lift off the clutch.

One way that I have taught A LOT of people on how to drive stick was to go to a flat area, and tell them don't even worry about the gas pedal. Start the car, then put it in first gear, then slowly lift off the clutch. Once you feel the car moving forward slowly, and I mean slowly, let it out a little bit more. Once the car is moving slightly faster, then you're free to let off the clutch pedal and push on the gas.

First Gear and Reverse Gear are the hardest gears to get into. Especially on hills. But you want to start learning where your friction point in your clutch is. The friction point is the area of the movement of the clutch that your pressure plate engages the flywheel. Basically, when the car starts to move.

Getting into first gear, especially going uphill, is like playing a guitar or riding a bike. It's 99% muscle memory. The more practice, the better. Just be sure you understand the mechanics of what is happening before you go practicing going up hills. I hate scaring people, but it is very easy to burn out a clutch if you aren't driving it right.

Thanks for the heads up man!!

[steeloyangster]

Seriously, if you don't understand something, just say so. I won't troll you. I can't speak for the rest of these folks, but I'll help. I understand where you're coming from.

[tintumz22]

I've driven manual cars in the past so the Normal way of starting the manual car like most people do is what I do.. just got into that post from another website and the clip i saw somewhere here in this forum.. hoping I might get somebody to do a vid for me or something.. Cuz seeing it happen is how I really learn at my best..

But yeah Thanks for your insights though! (This is why i like this community!)

[wheelhaus]

Sounds like you're just over-thinking this...

You can rev the engine any way you want, but to start moving you need to slip the clutch a bit, whether you're in a parking lot or during a hard launch.

For normal driving, just rev the engine lightly and let the clutch slip a small amount as it engages, at the same time apply a bit more gas as you finish the clutch release to drive away. Done. Eventually you'll learn to do this quickly and smoothly without over-revving or bogging the engine.

Sounds like the guy in the video was just trying to let the engine's inertia to get the car moving. It works, but the way it's described really over-complicates the process.

Steelo's method of using ONLY the gentle clutch slip (no gas) is good for learning the feel and point of engagement. After this, you'll continue to learn when you should engage the clutch quickly and when to be more gentle. The whole idea, no matter the scenario, is to get the clutch engaged as quickly as necessary (but smoothly), because slip causes wear. Using special timing with double tapping the gas pedal and whatever is completely unnecessary. If you're engaging the clutch to get moving at the same time as engine rpm is dropping back down to idle, you just risk stalling more easily.

[steeloyangster]

Originally Posted by wheelhaus

Sounds like you're just over-thinking this...

You can rev the engine any way you want, but to start moving you need to slip the clutch a bit, whether you're in a parking lot or during a hard launch.

For normal driving, just rev the engine lightly and let the clutch slip a small amount as it engages, at the same time apply a bit more gas as you finish the clutch release to drive away. Done. Eventually you'll learn to do this quickly and smoothly without over-revving or bogging the engine.

Sounds like the guy in the video was just trying to let the engine's inertia to get the car moving. It works, but the way it's described really over-complicates the process.

Steelo's method of using ONLY the gentle clutch slip (no gas) is good for learning the feel and point of engagement. After this, you'll continue to learn when you should engage the clutch quickly and when to be more gentle. The whole idea, no matter the scenario, is to get the clutch engaged as quickly as necessary (but smoothly), because slip causes wear. Using special timing with double tapping the gas pedal and whatever is completely unnecessary. If you're engaging the clutch to get moving at the same time as engine rpm is dropping back down to idle, you just risk stalling more easily.

Thank you wheelhaus, that was exactly what I was going for as far as the tutorial goes. I'm not a blipper. I know a lot of blippers, and I always felt like with the RPM's dropping as you're engaging the clutch, you were more at risk of stalling out. Not to mention it's much smoother if you just rev your motor a couple more hundred RPM and just let the clutch out slowly. I have always had a philosophy on driving and that is "The Smoother You Drive, The Faster You Go, The More Gas You Save." This applies more to twisty roads than a flat out drag of course.

[tintumz22]

Thank you wheelhaus and steeloyangster Sir! I'll just go with your philosophy steeloyangster!

[wheelhaus]

Originally Posted by steeloyangster

...I have always had a philosophy on driving and that is "The Smoother You Drive, The Faster You Go, The More Gas You Save." This applies more to twisty roads than a flat out drag of course.

Agreed! I personally am always practicing to be smoother. Note, this doesn't read "slower"; sometimes smooth requires very quick and precise motions.

[steeloyangster]

Originally Posted by wheelhaus

Agreed! I personally am always practicing to be smoother. Note, this doesn't read "slower"; sometimes smooth requires very quick and precise motions.

Your right.

I just saw you're from Denver. I use to live right off of Federal off I-70! Then I was like,"I'm done with this weird ass weather." Then moved back to NC. Now that I know you live in Denver, YOU HAVE TO BOOST YOUR CAR! Those low octane ratings are gonna kill your engine.

[onthemove]

Half the time people are "blipping" the throttle to start in first only to "show off" the crappy exhaust on their Honda... ive blipped it a couple times on a STEEP hill, but besides that its just easily off the clutch while easily getting on the gas, dont hold the clutch too long or youll start burning it.

Sidenote: Remember, when you arent using the clutch, place your foot on the dead pedal

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[ngabdala]

+1 . That is how I learned and I still do that when I'm in traffic

Originally Posted by steeloyangster

There are a ton of techniques for how to drive a manual. A lot of people like to blip the throttle and ease off the clutch to get the car moving. Me personally, I slowly lift off the clutch and give it the tiniest bit of gas so that the engine doesn't stall. Then once it is moving, I give it more gas and slowly lift off the clutch.

One way that I have taught A LOT of people on how to drive stick was to go to a flat area, and tell them don't even worry about the gas pedal. Start the car, then put it in first gear, then slowly lift off the clutch. Once you feel the car moving forward slowly, and I mean slowly, let it out a little bit more. Once the car is moving slightly faster, then you're free to let off the clutch pedal and push on the gas.

First Gear and Reverse Gear are the hardest gears to get into. Especially on hills. But you want to start learning where your friction point in your clutch is. The friction point is the area of the movement of the clutch that your pressure plate engages the flywheel. Basically, when the car starts to move.

Getting into first gear, especially going uphill, is like playing a guitar or riding a bike. It's 99% muscle memory. The more practice, the better. Just be sure you understand the mechanics of what is happening before you go practicing going up hills. I hate scaring people, but it is very easy to burn out a clutch if you aren't driving it right.

[adprokid]

1- put it in neutral
2- fully push down the clutch pedal and hold it
3- put it in first gear and keep holding the clutch pedal
4- now you have two options but i recommend option 2

option 1- push down the gas pedal to max rpm, then drop the clutch like a bad habit

option 2- let go the clutch very slowly until your car starts moving, then use the gas pedal smoothly and let go the clutch

[Books]

Tons of techniques out there but for me, I gas the pedal a little bit but not too much (maybe around 2k to 2.5k rpm) and then I let go of the clutch until I hit the 'catch' (it'll be muscle memory) and then slowly let go from there while maintaining the gas pedal. With this method, my clutch is acting as the gas pedal (until I totally let go of the clutch). Don't do this too slow or else you'll start burning the clutch. All this happens in a mere second or less for me.

When I go uphill, I usually am a bit worried so I initially gas a bit more (I currently e-brake hill starts until I feel more comfortable with the clutch). For me, the extra gas gives me some leeway so I won't stall.

My experience is from driving an early 2000 Honda Accord for about 6 years (it was a 5 speed manual).