Subaru Testing a BRZ with STI Badging and a Big Wing

[Veloist]

i just emailed my interest to my sales manager.

Just ordered the license plate too lol.

[Ricepuddin]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I used to drive very large army trucks and people would almost hit me all the time. The size of the vehicle has little to do with people not paying attention. Either that or the camo on them was far more effective on the highway then it was in the field.

Edit: she was driving the suv

Well the fact that she was texting and driving didn't help.

But I've seen that happen in a convoy or two, lucky I was usually in an m577. You have to be pretty blind to miss that thing.

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[airjonny]

Subaru we need more photos than this.

[Swift]

So who is going to start the BRZ STI meme trolling thread...

[Silver Cervy]

All the complaining I'm seeing across all media platforms about "no extra power wtf??" is making me seriously depressed.

What the actual fuck happened to 15 years ago when affordable sports cars came with 230 hp MAX and people were happy? Seeing a production car with more than 400 hp back then was almost unheard of. Nowadays people go into full tantrum mode if a car doesn't come out with at least 350 from the factory. We now live in the age of straight-line circle jerking, where the only numbers that matter are your 0-60 time and how many pounds of boost you're putting down. Subaru owners are seriously some of the most immature fucking children on the planet. 310 hp is more than enough to have fun with, yet WRX/STi "fans" can't stop spitting out their pacifiers over how it's the same platform. And I guarantee you that as soon as Subaru releases a 400+ hp STi and it costs over $45k they'll cry even more.

People still can't understand why a turbo BRZ is a terrible idea. Sometimes I feel completely ashamed of the community I'm a part of.

[uppitypanda]

Originally Posted by Silver Cervy

All the complaining I'm seeing across all media platforms about "no extra power wtf??" is making me seriously depressed.

What the actual fuck happened to 15 years ago when affordable sports cars came with 230 hp MAX and people were happy? Seeing a production car with more than 400 hp back then was almost unheard of. Nowadays people go into full tantrum mode if a car doesn't come out with at least 350 from the factory. We now live in the age of straight-line circle jerking, where the only numbers that matter are your 0-60 time and how many pounds of boost you're putting down. Subaru owners are seriously some of the most immature fucking children on the planet. 310 hp is more than enough to have fun with, yet WRX/STi "fans" can't stop spitting out their pacifiers over how it's the same platform. And I guarantee you that as soon as Subaru releases a 400+ hp STi and it costs over $45k they'll cry even more.

People still can't understand why a turbo BRZ is a terrible idea. Sometimes I feel completely ashamed of the community I'm a part of.

It's a small community and the vast majority of drivers have no clue that any of this is going on. It's pretty funny when people make such a big deal out of this stuff. If you don't like it don't buy it. If you want a turbo buy one. Super simple

[Side]

Now that we own a second car, I'm seriously considering trading my '16 automatic BRZ in for the BRZ tS. I just need to see the full specs and more photos first. Still crossing fingers for steering responsive headlights.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Silver Cervy

All the complaining I'm seeing across all media platforms about "no extra power wtf??" is making me seriously depressed.

What the actual fuck happened to 15 years ago when affordable sports cars came with 230 hp MAX and people were happy? Seeing a production car with more than 400 hp back then was almost unheard of. Nowadays people go into full tantrum mode if a car doesn't come out with at least 350 from the factory. We now live in the age of straight-line circle jerking, where the only numbers that matter are your 0-60 time and how many pounds of boost you're putting down. Subaru owners are seriously some of the most immature fucking children on the planet. 310 hp is more than enough to have fun with, yet WRX/STi "fans" can't stop spitting out their pacifiers over how it's the same platform. And I guarantee you that as soon as Subaru releases a 400+ hp STi and it costs over $45k they'll cry even more.

People still can't understand why a turbo BRZ is a terrible idea. Sometimes I feel completely ashamed of the community I'm a part of.

As somebody who is actively on iwsti and very occasionally goes onto NASIOC, I agree 100%. What's funny too is that the same people that are complaining about needing more power are the same people who do nothing but sit in a parking lot with their slammed cars blowing vape smoke in each other's faces. They want 350hp or 400hp, but their current 200hp car can't even go over a leaf without blowing the underside of the car out.

Shit is stupid.

With regards to the turbo BRZ thing. I get it. I get the appeal. Hell, if Subaru offered one, I'd be all for it... But I'm totally content with the N/A platform it currently has. Deleting the torque dip alone makes a big difference.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by Silver Cervy

All the complaining I'm seeing across all media platforms about "no extra power wtf??" is making me seriously depressed.

What the actual fuck happened to 15 years ago when affordable sports cars came with 230 hp MAX and people were happy? Seeing a production car with more than 400 hp back then was almost unheard of. Nowadays people go into full tantrum mode if a car doesn't come out with at least 350 from the factory. We now live in the age of straight-line circle jerking, where the only numbers that matter are your 0-60 time and how many pounds of boost you're putting down. Subaru owners are seriously some of the most immature fucking children on the planet. 310 hp is more than enough to have fun with, yet WRX/STi "fans" can't stop spitting out their pacifiers over how it's the same platform. And I guarantee you that as soon as Subaru releases a 400+ hp STi and it costs over $45k they'll cry even more.

People still can't understand why a turbo BRZ is a terrible idea. Sometimes I feel completely ashamed of the community I'm a part of.

Street wise, more power=more fun on your daily drives. I boosted my FRS 4 years ago and would probably not enjoy the car if I revert back to stock. Fact of the matter is the feeling of speed and power is exhilarating if you are into that stuff. But I notice a lot of ppl that purchase FR-S/BRZ are just cruisers, which is boring to me.
I recently purchased and Evo and the feeling of the torque is exciting no matter where I'm at.
There are a lot of people that purchase the car that like the platform wishing for a reliable experience with power.
I understand the complaining.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

I do a lot of freeway driving, very often the brz and its 150 ft lbs does not have enough acceleration to get out of it's own way. Being in our sti our ob xt is much safer in this aspect.

God another idiot that doesn't know that HP is a function of torque. Two cars, one with 300 torque 200HP, other with 200 torque 300HP, which one is faster?

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

To me this is a serious problem because the car is hard for picks ips and suvs to see. It's dangerous with such little power for me.

The car is no smaller than many other cars on the road and has a 5 star crash safety rating and was a top safety pick.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Subaru goes for hype because they have no tools to increase brz sales. Rip brz.

Every. Single. Brand. Does. This.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

The new golf r while more expensive is so much more car.

Enjoy your car that smells like crayons in a couple years and falls apart. VW's quality has gone to shit since they tried to compete with Toyota.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

There is a reason websites like nasioc, iclub and iwsti have so many fewer users these days and also why the people who owned 6-8 subarus are no longer buying them.

Forums in general are dying. Many people use facebook for their car groups these days (sadly). Has nothing to do with cars, and Subaru is BOOMING sales wise so you're completely incorrect here.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

These lack of development is literally the same tactics used by ford and gm during late 70's to early 90's. They maybe cheap but subaru is sacrificng the principles that built them. Sad.

I don't see Subaru making 4 different versions of the same car with different brand names on them. Completely different.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Sti has had the same block for it's 14th year in a row and it may squeeze 10hp. I'd be embarassed to even mention this.

Well...crap...something I kinda agree with you on. The old EJ needs to die.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Brz has no updates besides the faulty shocks they have used.

"Faulty?" Explain.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Outback still has no turbo model.

No point when they offer the flat 6...

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Subaru paints are ugly awful and boring for the 9th? Year in a row.

I kinda agree. My folks turned down buying one because they didn't have any bright colors on anything other than the WRX/STI, BRZ, or Crosstrek. Though this entire forum is about the BRZ so you'd be wrong there.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

I can say I have seen this brand run its course when it comes to performance.

News flash, Subaru won the rally wars. The Evo is dead and nothing competed with the STI for a long time. Now we have the Focus RS that might make them feel the need to improve.

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Honestly I want a better car anyways. Current car is to me at an unacceptable quality level for having only 22k on it. To me it feels like longevity has been abandoned by subaru.

Then why are you here?

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

Now people just spew stupidity about mpg instead
Of caring if their engine can make 120k.

Yet again, if Subaru had longevity issues they wouldn't have the highest resale value...

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

This is the begining of the end

Doomporn! The sky is falling!

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

People the real reason there are no power upgrades etc are the base of this car.

This will piss ppl off but nasioc, iclub, etc they are embarassed to be associated with the brz. It's been the ultimate hyper fanboi car and probably the most so bought by first time buyers and flat out newbs.

The huge jdm d baggery and people spending 700 dollars to buy badges and fins from japan, for there always seeming to be some tool with a brand new twin asking about swapping his bumper/headlights etc. Because of the idiot willig to spend 2,000 bucks to make his frs into a gt86.

You are to blame. If the car was marketed to a more mature crowd that thinks hey do I want to spend 4 grand to look cooler?

I blame the fanbois, the same reason many subaru heads are embarassed at thr level of fanboi honda civic you have turned the brand into.


Why develop the car when you can get all the fools to rush in for their pink badges and fins and sideskirts.

You mean like the kiddies did with their V6 Mustangs putting GT badges on them? This is 100% nothing new and no, NASIOC isn't "embarassed" by us.

Not to mention how many d'bags I see driving slammed WRX's around here. Maturity is individual, not the car's fault.

Originally Posted by Zaku

Hey there,

Speaking from my knowledge... which is only about 12 years of Manual driving, I'm sure they are other that have driven longer and more that can jump in.

First and foremost, don't skip gears, look for videos or someone near you to teach you to downshift correctly if you already know how then good! and then do it twice 6-5-4. things you don't do is 3-2-1 never go to 1 unless you need to or you've come to a stop or you're under 10 mph and really need the power, you'll kill the transmission that way.

Now, the other way around I'm not sure if this is the case with our cars the 86/BRZ but on the new ND Miata, you can skip gears going Up this is because the transmission is brand new and made to save MPG. So the car will actually tell you to go from 2-4 and 4-6. In that, it's ok to skip shifts. ONLY going up.

There is an argument however In some newer cars you can also skip gears going down, but I wouldn't recommend it. this is because the 86 transmission is based off a proven old design. ND miata transmission are new and have been known to blow up, so stick with traditional driving for longevity.
and great that you've gotten into manual, I think alot of people make argument for more power because they've driven faster cars that might have the same amount of enjoyable value. This is great for diversity of thought, recently I drove the Alfa Giulia QF and now everything feels slow lol. Still love my BRZ tho. It's all I can really afford at this time really, different priorities. I think this car is good enough for everyday for sure.

anyways I'm sure others will jump in and tell you not to skip either. Hope it helps.

Skipping is fine, and won't harm the transmission. The issue is money shifts and a hard overrev to the engine/clutch/flywheel and the carnage that causes. If you're new, don't skip while downshifting so you don't money shift.

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Personally I'd rather have 17 inch wheels. The BRZ is a small car it doesn't need 18s for brake clearance or any other reason. Lightweight 17s are lighter than 18s and 17 inch tires are typically less expensive as well.

Just upgrading the tires (from the factory) is going to make the biggest difference at the track. I'd like to see track times for a stock BRZ against a tS model with identical rubber.

The STI wheels are lighter than stock, and won't clear the Brembos except in 18's or with spacers.

I've hunted for a while to find track times from the original tS without success. I'm guessing it would all be in Japanese.

[krayzie]

No Bilstein front inverted and rear monotube shocks. Fucking cheap arses.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Silver Cervy

Subaru owners are seriously some of the most immature fucking children on the planet. 310 hp is more than enough to have fun with, yet WRX/STi "fans" can't stop spitting out their pacifiers over how it's the same platform. And I guarantee you that as soon as Subaru releases a 400+ hp STi and it costs over $45k they'll cry even more.

Well the thing is that when the first WRXs / STIs came out, they were far away from the competition. Their power was close to super cars territory. Now it is different and even a 310 hp car seems a crap to them. It looks that the powertrain shows its age and the new direct injection engine is not ready yet. Maybe it'll never be ready for more power. Nevertheless, I still like the STI type RA car. If I could afford it, then it would be in my list.

Originally Posted by Silver Cervy

People still can't understand why a turbo BRZ is a terrible idea. Sometimes I feel completely ashamed of the community I'm a part of.

No they don't understand and it looks they will never understand. There are people here that totaled their car, because they had issues with the traction. They didn't get their lesson. They are still saying that if they will buy again, then they 'll add forced induction.


Is the stock BRZ underpowered? Yes maybe it is a bit, but it is what it is. I have even a champion rally driver saying that if you just put more power, then it will be a beast and go constantly side ways. Even if I post this statement, the community will not accept it! It looks that they know better than pro's.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

Street wise, more power=more fun on your daily drives. I boosted my FRS 4 years ago and would probably not enjoy the car if I revert back to stock. Fact of the matter is the feeling of speed and power is exhilarating if you are into that stuff. But I notice a lot of ppl that purchase FR-S/BRZ are just cruisers, which is boring to me.
I recently purchased and Evo and the feeling of the torque is exciting no matter where I'm at.
There are a lot of people that purchase the car that like the platform wishing for a reliable experience with power.
I understand the complaining.

Nothing wrong with wanting more power because you find it exhilarating of exciting. I went through that stage in driving 30 years ago and no longer get enjoyment from pushing a pedal for a 10 second burst of speed.

The problem I have with the more power crowd is the whining they can't pass or the car is so slow it is undrivable. These statements are just foolish.
I still have not figured out where this car can be driven on public streets that 300+ HP would even be fun. Can't even open it up about 90% of the time with what it has already.

[Dorb]

Big wing turn off on both cars. Should be a law that these can only go on super cars, otherwise they just look stupid.(reminds me of all the tools in town you see with 4 bangers with these over the top wings and the way to loud exhaust that says look at me)
Actually the main reason I bought my 16 STI Limited as you could finally get it without the dang wing, which was a really smart move by Subaru and opened up the market past boy racers. But then again to each their own, just not my cup of tea, and someday when folks get older they may will get it.(or not)
My .02