All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

But nobody is making small lightweight fun EVs yet, and I fear they never will.

Yea, we're a long way from that, particularly if you want to drive more than the length of a football field.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea, we're a long way from that, particularly if you want to drive more than the length of a football field.

I don't think there's a technical limitation, just need to focus on sporty requirements - lightweight, handling over power. The original Tesla Roadster was going (somewhat) in that direction - based on a lightweight roadster, not overboard with power or range (although I would be perfectly fine with even less power). It weighed only a little more than the Twins and by all accounts retained quite a bit of the Elise's handling.
With the current innovation in battery tech and aerodynamics, I could easily see a 40 KWh two seat EV focusing on handling weighing even less than the Roadster, while still giving more than 200 miles of range and still being faster than the Twins (which is frankly all the I'd want), all the while costing on par with a Model 3 or less.
Yet the new Roadster will gonna be a huge luxury barge with way too much battery, way too much power and probably way too much weight (some places claim 4400 lbs, but there's nothing official). Not to mention the price tag...

On the other hand, it does make sense for manufacturers to focus on either bread-and-butter models (which bring money through scale) or high end models (which bring money through large margins). My fear is that the market will get even more accustomed to these heavy and fast barges, and nobody will want to buy a "slow" EV, hence manufacturers won't make them. Oh well, maybe Mazda will make an EV Miata...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

I don't think there's a technical limitation, just need to focus on sporty requirements - lightweight, handling over power. The original Tesla Roadster was going (somewhat) in that direction - based on a lightweight roadster, not overboard with power or range (although I would be perfectly fine with even less power). .

Yea, the Tesla Roadster 1 did weigh less than I thought, but also was just barely in the acceptable range zone for me at 244 Miles (EPA).

I think a sports car needs a much greater EPA range to be practical. Let's face it, you aren't likely to drive it in a "standard" way which means the practical range is likely less than published.

I'm sure that the 600+ range for the Roadster 2 is really so it will have a battery large enough to support the power dump required to meet the sportier specs.

In the end, I agree with you, I'd love to see a small, sporty EV with a 300 mile real-world aggressively driven mile range, and a 100 mile practical track range.

@Ohio Enthusiast, I modified the last paragraph after you originally thanked this)

[Vegerkol]

I think it looks better with the corola

[Lantanafrs2]

Why can't sports cars be powerful and handle well?

[Cephas]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Why can't sports cars be powerful and handle well?

They can, and often do. Just depends on how much you want to spend.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Cephas

They can, and often do. Just depends on how much you want to spend.

Yep. Fast, light, cheap. Pick two. Although that's a bit biased, as you can gain "fast" by going "light" (aka Colin Chapman), but it's far easier to gain "fast" by putting a bigger engine, where a relationship similar to Tsiolkovsky's rocket equation rules - bigger engine leads to heavier components which lead to more weight, requiring a bigger engine to get the same performance, ad-nauseum.

[spike021]

Another Japan sighting:

[JesseG]

It looks like it is taller than the 1st gen, maybe it’s just the camo? Also I really like the recycling truck’Clean City Enjoy Recycle’


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[soundman98]

everything looks bigger in japan!

[beltax90]

Originally Posted by soundman98

everything looks bigger in japan!

JAPAN ERECTION
2010年　video/ dvd 2m08s

In this video and performance, Takata wears a wig in the fashion of an ancient Japanese hairstyle and transforms himself into the character of Susano-o, a Shinto god who appears in the Japanese creation myth. The erection between his legs, is in the form of a Japan-shaped penis. The artist believed that the Japanese archipelago looked like male genitalia standing erect towards the Pacific Ocean. From this idea, he assembled his mythological image of creation and destruction.
In 2011, a year after the video was created, the Great East Japan Earthquake struck. Many things have changed since then, such as people’s outlook after the earthquake and the events following. For this reason, this video work is often connected to the disaster and the rising nationalistic sentiments of the time.

http://fuyuhikotakata.com/works/JAPAN%20ERECTION

[spike021]

Originally Posted by beltax90

JAPAN ERECTION
2010年　video/ dvd 2m08s

In this video and performance, Takata wears a wig in the fashion of an ancient Japanese hairstyle and transforms himself into the character of Susano-o, a Shinto god who appears in the Japanese creation myth. The erection between his legs, is in the form of a Japan-shaped penis. The artist believed that the Japanese archipelago looked like male genitalia standing erect towards the Pacific Ocean. From this idea, he assembled his mythological image of creation and destruction.
In 2011, a year after the video was created, the Great East Japan Earthquake struck. Many things have changed since then, such as people’s outlook after the earthquake and the events following. For this reason, this video work is often connected to the disaster and the rising nationalistic sentiments of the time.

I am truly scarred for life.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by spike021

I am truly scarred for life.

I doubt he'd be comfortable in the BRZ's relatively tight seats. Ingress and egress would also be problematic.

[beltax90]

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