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09-21-2020, 12:22 PM | #29 |
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Given my driving abilities and conditions, I see zero advantage, both economical and performance, of having summer tires. These summer vs all-season discussions remind me those audiophiles claim they hear the difference of gold-contact connectors. Yeah, those are special people
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Falken Azenis FK510 UHP Summer at $102: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=247 5.13s dry slalom, 5.60s wet slalom 30.86s dry lap, 34.74s wet lap 79.2 ft dry braking, 115.4 ft wet braking 0.89g dry cornering, 0.71g wet vs. General GMax AS-05 UHP a/s at $105: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...y.jsp?ttid=253 5.22s dry slalom, 5.72s wet slalom 30.67s dry lap, 34.73s wet lap 85.9 ft dry braking, 113.9 ft wet braking 0.92g dry cornering, 0.75g wet Same car: 2020 BMW 430i Gran Coupe Last edited by ZDan; 09-21-2020 at 01:13 PM. |
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When i googled up winter temperatures in southern california/San Diego .. i simply don't get why one would ever need there all season tire. Temperatures there don't drop to even my autumn temps :/
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Also, longer tire life and having a treadwear warranty might be desired. |
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My impression is that modern UHP all season tires are very good in anything other than ice and deep snow, even when compared to dedicated summer/winter tires. It's not even a matter of price, since good UHP all season are fairly cheap, probably due to high volume of sale. Sure, a good summer tire will marginally outperform an all season in the dry and in the wet, but the difference isn't as big as people remember from 10-20-30 years ago, and they still work well enough for the casual driver in light winter weather. The biggest downside of all season tires is ice and heavy snow, which is why our friends up north in Canada scoff at them as 3 season tires. Ice traction (which Tire Rack tests for both winter and all season tires) is shockingly bad for all seasons, with stopping distances over twice as long! |
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Yeah, I run summer tires year round in the Pacific NW My favorite so far has been the Conti Extremecontact Sport. Running Hankook V12 Evo2's now, they are decent for the price.
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I've also found that Motul transmission fluid works like shit on my climate in all but the hottest days. Mean while guys in Cali claim it to be the second coming. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Average yearly temperatures for the time of day you drive/commute the most should determine if you should choose A/S vs Summer. I wouldn't be surprised if MPS A/S 4 out performed MPS4s in sub 55 degree weather with normal/average commute tire temperatures. Sure if its 70+ out or you have driven long and hard enough to get some heat in the tires the MPS4s will be better. but if you are just casually commuting and have a few "spots" on your drive to/from work (or whatever commute) you like to drive spiritedly you probably wont have the temp in the tire to take advantage of the summer tire vs the A/S unless its in the 60s or you have a long commute. |
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all seasons work in the majority of all road-going usage scenario's. i was once told that if they don't work, you're either a poor driver, not leaving enough space that you already should be leaving, or are over-driving the vehicle and it's kit in a public space. in my area, most people leave the summer-only eco tires on all year long through the snow, and then just complain that their car is terrible at snow. so by that metric ANY all season tire puts me into manageable territory.
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Ah, but then pit the two against each other 4 times evenly spaced over a year (assuming a climate with 4 distinct seasons) and I bet you at least 2 of those will be won handily by the all seasons. Sure you could argue that you need winter tires in the colder seasons, but then you just doubled the price of one half of the equation.
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^i remember looking at that comparison. i chose the bfg comp2 a/s simply because the tread design looked racier of the two.
i'm a sophisticated type of guy. my hard limit on tires is $150/ea. i see little reason to shell out more for something that i turn into smoke and enjoyment.
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