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Old 04-06-2014, 01:16 PM   #15
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Then I'm curious, Crawford. What would it take to keep the car from overheating? Have you guys developed any strategies to combat heat? What would you need to keep this car going full tilt for extended periods of time?

This is the only thing that is keeping me from totally loving this car, unfortunately. This and the PITA sparkplug changes lol.

That's easy! Remove the Air conditioning, add an even larger radiator, add a large oil cooler, add a tranny cooler, add a rear diff cooler, add a fuel cooler. All the stuff a real race car has that makes a lot less power than this car.
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Old 04-06-2014, 04:17 PM   #16
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That's easy! Remove the Air conditioning, add an even larger radiator, add a large oil cooler, add a tranny cooler, add a rear diff cooler, add a fuel cooler. All the stuff a real race car has that makes a lot less power than this car.
Do you mind sharing a complete mods list of the car? The Crawford turbo BRZ is essentially the car I want my FRS to aspire to. Maybe not quite 475hp but 380-400hp would be plentiful for me.

Also, was it you guys that supplied Ken Stout Racing their racing engines last season for PWC?
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Do you mind sharing a complete mods list of the car? The Crawford turbo BRZ is essentially the car I want my FRS to aspire to. Maybe not quite 475hp but 380-400hp would be plentiful for me.

Also, was it you guys that supplied Ken Stout Racing their racing engines last season for PWC?
We supplied the first half of the season for them then pulled out.

The power of our car is dependent on the amount of boost so lowering the power is as easy as lowering the boost. Raising the power is a much harder task though!

Here is a list I found for you;

VEHICLE INFORMATION-
Year / Make / Model:2013 Subaru BRZ
Chassis Code:
Competition Class: Street
Vehicle Weight: 2750 lbs
Weight Bias (F/R):
Launch RPM:
Shift RPM: 8000
Redline RPM: 9000
Peak Boost: 28 psi
Fuel:91 -E85 –C85

ENGINE INFORMATION-
Engine Code:FA20
Displacement (cc):2000
Bore & Stroke (mm): 86x86
Peak Horsepower (@ RPM):500 @ 7500
Peak Torque (@ RPM):550 @ 4200
Dyno Typeynapack
Engine Builder: Crawford
Block Modifications: stock
Machine Work: none
Pistons: Crawford spec, JE
Connecting Rods / Crank: Crawford Long rod, Pauter, stock crank
Camshafts: Stock
Valves / Springs / Retainers: stock
Cylinder Head Modifications: stock
Cylinder Head Gasket: stock
Head / Main Studs: ARP head
Intake Manifold / Throttle Body: stock
Air Induction System: Crawford
Fuel Injectors: DI stock, PI DW
Fuel Delivery System: stock
Engine Management System: EcuTek
Engine Management Tuner: Quirt Crawford
Boost Controller: Subaru
Ignition System: stock
Spark Plugs: NGK
Air filter: K&N
Exhaust Manifold: Crawford
Exhaust System / Downpipe: Crawford
Wastegate: Subaru
Blow-Off Valve: none
Intercooler: Crawford
Nitrous Oxide: none
Cooling Sys: Koyorad Crawford HP water tank
Oil System: stock
Fuel Cell: none
Performance Electronics: none

TURBOCHARGER

Crawford Turbo system
Turbocharger: Subaru VF37 twin scroll


CHASSIS / DRIVELINE-

Springs, F&R (Make & Rate): Tein
Shocks, F&R (Make & Rate): Tein
Additional Suspension Components : none
Transmission: stock
Transmission Gearing: stock
Final Drive: stock
Shifter: stock
Clutch / Flywheel: Crawford Exedy
Differential(s) (Make & Type): Guard Transmission diff
Axles / Driveshaft: Driveshaft shop
Wheels (Make, Size & Offset): HRE 19x9.5
Tires (Make & Size): Falken 275/35/19
Brake Calipers (F&R): Brembo six pot front, four pot rears
Brake Rotors (Diameter, F&R): Brembo 355mm
Brake Pads (Front & Rear): Brembo
Brake Lines: Brembo


INTERIOR-

Roll Bar / Cage: none
Seats: stock
Harnesses: stock
Steering Wheel / Quick Release: stock
Gauges: stock


EXTERIOR-

Front Lip Spoiler: none
Side Skirts: none
Rear Diffuser: none
Spoiler / Wing: stock
Headlights: stock HID
Taillights: Stock
Paint: stock
Custom Body Work: none
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Iam impressed that the crank is still stock. That is reassuring since I am hoping to eventually do a rebuild for around 350 HP to the wheels.
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:14 PM   #19
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Iam impressed that the crank is still stock. That is reassuring since I am hoping to eventually do a rebuild for around 350 HP to the wheels.
The Subaru cranks have never been an issue, they come forged from the factory.
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The Subaru cranks have never been an issue, they come forged from the factory.
That is an awesome bit of information! Thanks for sharing.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:22 PM   #21
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No, CP! THANK YOU! Had I the funds, I'd come to you. Your work has given great hope for this car.

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Old 04-06-2014, 10:10 PM   #22
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Funny your shop gets so much hate from a $14k+ "turbo kit" (that's a serious purpose-driven engine rebuild as well) but then this video comes out and everyone finally sees the awesome. Silly noobs don't know how much Crawford rocks with Subies. I'm interested to see what you guys have in store for the 86 in the future. Carry on!

BTW, what are your impressions with the drivetrain after pushing so much torque?
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Funny your shop gets so much hate from a $14k+ "turbo kit" (that's a serious purpose-driven engine rebuild as well) but then this video comes out and everyone finally sees the awesome. Silly noobs don't know how much Crawford rocks with Subies. I'm interested to see what you guys have in store for the 86 in the future. Carry on!

BTW, what are your impressions with the drivetrain after pushing so much torque?


To be honest, I am amazed at how well the tranny is holding up. That said I do lift of the throttle when the car catches air. Also we are using a clutch that slips a bit to take the shock off the tranny. We did break the CV joints early on but the Driveshaft Shop fixed us up!


Me thinks our turbo kit is a little less than $14K... like 50% less; http://www.crawfordperformance.com/p...3-brzfrsgt-86/
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Ah nice.. Wasn't there another kit built for lower compression with rods, pistons, and a bunch of other bits? Or is this one in the same?
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Crawford,

As you are the expert, I hope you don't mind me picking your brain.

Overall, how strong or weak do you feel the stock engine is when adding boost and using only 93 octane? What sort of wheel horsepower are you confident the stock engine will live well with on 93 octane(good tuning, of course)?

I know you love this platform and talk highly of it, but what are some things you don't like? Are there any drawbacks or issues you feel the car could've done better with? What sort of limitations, if any, do you feel this car has?

I hope you don't mind all the questions. I was quite outraged when the people here banned you a year ago. Your knowledge and great expertise was quite a loss to the community at that time. Very glad you're back and well with the community.

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Ah nice.. Wasn't there another kit built for lower compression with rods, pistons, and a bunch of other bits? Or is this one in the same?
We only sell one turbo kit, but we also sell every other upgrade necessary to maintain the power level of our R/D car. We have broken a lot of parts so you don't have to
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Crawford,

As you are the expert, I hope you don't mind me picking your brain.

Overall, how strong or weak do you feel the stock engine is when adding boost and using only 93 octane? What sort of wheel horsepower are you confident the stock engine will live well with on 93 octane(good tuning, of course)?

I know you love this platform and talk highly of it, but what are some things you don't like? Are there any drawbacks or issues you feel the car could've done better with? What sort of limitations, if any, do you feel this car has?

I hope you don't mind all the questions. I was quite outraged when the people here banned you a year ago. Your knowledge and great expertise was quite a loss to the community at that time. Very glad you're back and well with the community.

Cheers
We have no way to answer your first question as we have not boosted a stock engine.

The only thing I do not like about the car is the torque dip.

The reason for the ban was strictly financial, knowledge and expertise is not the goal here.

Thanks for the kind words!
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Have to agree on the video getting me re-interested in the car. Great job with the build CP!
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