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meWant · 04-02-2021, 02:43 AM

Currently have RaceComp Yellows mated to stock struts my by 16 BRZ. I don't plan on switching to coils anytime soon, but was considering switching whenever the time comes to replace the stock struts.

I was looking at the RCE super street OR the CSG spec Tein Flex A's. Any feedback on how both compare to the RCE Yellows on stock struts. I don't plan on lowering thr car any more than the current ~1" it's lowered either. All help is welcome, even though it's not an upgrade o plan to do soon.

N_Raged · 04-15-2021, 06:28 PM

I have a 2019 BRZ PP which I'll be getting the 10mm tS springs for soon. I don't like the Sachs dampers so I was planning to upgrade to the Bilstein B6. The problem is there is a major supply issue in Canada right now. No retailer can get the rear shocks in stock.

Autocross and track season is right around the corner so I'd need something ASAP. Are there track worthy alternatives to the B6? Our should I just stick with the tS spring + PP Sachs damper and wait for Bilstein supply issues to improve? I'm a bit hesitant on the Koni yellows since I don't want to fiddle with adjustable damping rates.

Racecomp Engineering · 04-15-2021, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N_Raged

I have a 2019 BRZ PP which I'll be getting the 10mm tS springs for soon. I don't like the Sachs dampers so I was planning to upgrade to the Bilstein B6. The problem is there is a major supply issue in Canada right now. No retailer can get the rear shocks in stock.

Autocross and track season is right around the corner so I'd need something ASAP. Are there track worthy alternatives to the B6? Our should I just stick with the tS spring + PP Sachs damper and wait for Bilstein supply issues to improve? I'm a bit hesitant on the Koni yellows since I don't want to fiddle with adjustable damping rates.

We have Bilstein B6 in stock. Not sure on shipping price to Canada but I can check tomorrow if you send me a PM with address.

- Andrew

ninzuh · 04-20-2021, 12:12 PM

Hi All,

My 2013 FR-S is getting its 2017+ non-PP struts mated to RCE Yellows put on this weekend. I also have camber bolts for the front but the rear will have no adjustment. The car is a DD/weekend back road warrior primarily. I'm also on OEM wheels.

Can anyone recommend alignment settings given this setup? I've poked around in various threads but don't know where to start with alignment and don't want to go to an alignment shop with nothing.

Thanks

timurrrr · 04-20-2021, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninzuh

Hi All,

My 2013 FR-S is getting its 2017+ non-PP struts mated to RCE Yellows put on this weekend. I also have camber bolts for the front but the rear will have no adjustment. The car is a DD/weekend back road warrior primarily. I'm also on OEM wheels.

Can anyone recommend alignment settings given this setup? I've poked around in various threads but don't know where to start with alignment and don't want to go to an alignment shop with nothing.

Thanks

Max negative camber in the front, zero toe in the front, 0.1° toe in per corner in the rear should be a good starting point.

Racecomp Engineering · 04-20-2021, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninzuh

Hi All,

My 2013 FR-S is getting its 2017+ non-PP struts mated to RCE Yellows put on this weekend. I also have camber bolts for the front but the rear will have no adjustment. The car is a DD/weekend back road warrior primarily. I'm also on OEM wheels.

Can anyone recommend alignment settings given this setup? I've poked around in various threads but don't know where to start with alignment and don't want to go to an alignment shop with nothing.

Thanks

What @timurrrr said. Depending on which camber bolts you have, you'll get between around -1 and -2 degrees which is fine.

- Andrew

Cephas · 04-20-2021, 01:10 PM

Just finally ordered the RCE Yellows/Bilstein kit I've been eyeballing for months! The rest of the suspension is stock, and I'm 100% street at the moment... Any point to camber bolts at this point, you think?

Racecomp Engineering · 04-20-2021, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephas

Just finally ordered the RCE Yellows/Bilstein kit I've been eyeballing for months! The rest of the suspension is stock, and I'm 100% street at the moment... Any point to camber bolts at this point, you think?

Nice! At the absolute very least, get the OEM crash bolts. Dirt cheap for a half degree of camber.

Subaru part numbers
bolt - 901000394
nut - 902380008

Need to get 2.

- Andrew

ninzuh · 04-20-2021, 01:32 PM

Thank you both @timurrrr and @Racecompengineering

RToyo86 · 04-20-2021, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N_Raged

I have a 2019 BRZ PP which I'll be getting the 10mm tS springs for soon. I don't like the Sachs dampers so I was planning to upgrade to the Bilstein B6. The problem is there is a major supply issue in Canada right now. No retailer can get the rear shocks in stock.

Autocross and track season is right around the corner so I'd need something ASAP. Are there track worthy alternatives to the B6? Our should I just stick with the tS spring + PP Sachs damper and wait for Bilstein supply issues to improve? I'm a bit hesitant on the Koni yellows since I don't want to fiddle with adjustable damping rates.

If ordering from the states doesn't work out, reach out to FT86MS. I ordered mine from them a month ago and they arrived two weeks later.

They bring stuff in from the states which may explain how they get parts quicker than some.

RToyo86 · 04-20-2021, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephas

Just finally ordered the RCE Yellows/Bilstein kit I've been eyeballing for months! The rest of the suspension is stock, and I'm 100% street at the moment... Any point to camber bolts at this point, you think?

I run SPC lower and crash bolt up top and got an even -2.3° on the same setup.
I gained almost a full 1° with the lower bolt up top.

timurrrr · 04-20-2021, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephas

Any point to camber bolts at this point, you think?

SPC 81305 gave me -1.75º back when I was on stock suspension.

Cephas · 04-21-2021, 05:10 AM

Okay cool. So my next question I guess is how much negative camber is desirable for a street car? I mean I like taking onramps as aggressively as the next guy, but the vast majority of my mileage is just A to B commuting and errand running.

marco_mc22 · 04-21-2021, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cephas

Okay cool. So my next question I guess is how much negative camber is desirable for a street car? I mean I like taking onramps as aggressively as the next guy, but the vast majority of my mileage is just A to B commuting and errand running.

From -1 to -1.7

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04-15-2021, 06:28 PM	#4034
N_Raged Senior Member Join Date: May 2019 Drives: 2019 BRZ Sport-Tech RS Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 230 Thanks: 52 Thanked 202 Times in 107 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have a 2019 BRZ PP which I'll be getting the 10mm tS springs for soon. I don't like the Sachs dampers so I was planning to upgrade to the Bilstein B6. The problem is there is a major supply issue in Canada right now. No retailer can get the rear shocks in stock. Autocross and track season is right around the corner so I'd need something ASAP. Are there track worthy alternatives to the B6? Our should I just stick with the tS spring + PP Sachs damper and wait for Bilstein supply issues to improve? I'm a bit hesitant on the Koni yellows since I don't want to fiddle with adjustable damping rates.

04-20-2021, 12:12 PM	#4036
ninzuh Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: NY Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hi All, My 2013 FR-S is getting its 2017+ non-PP struts mated to RCE Yellows put on this weekend. I also have camber bolts for the front but the rear will have no adjustment. The car is a DD/weekend back road warrior primarily. I'm also on OEM wheels. Can anyone recommend alignment settings given this setup? I've poked around in various threads but don't know where to start with alignment and don't want to go to an alignment shop with nothing. Thanks

04-20-2021, 01:10 PM	#4039
Cephas Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2017 Toyota 86 (860 SE) Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 329 Thanks: 537 Thanked 434 Times in 167 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just finally ordered the RCE Yellows/Bilstein kit I've been eyeballing for months! The rest of the suspension is stock, and I'm 100% street at the moment... Any point to camber bolts at this point, you think?

04-20-2021, 01:32 PM	#4041
ninzuh Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: NY Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thank you both @timurrrr and @Racecompengineering

04-21-2021, 05:10 AM	#4045
Cephas Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2017 Toyota 86 (860 SE) Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 329 Thanks: 537 Thanked 434 Times in 167 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Okay cool. So my next question I guess is how much negative camber is desirable for a street car? I mean I like taking onramps as aggressively as the next guy, but the vast majority of my mileage is just A to B commuting and errand running.

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