Lets talk weight - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

KaliKev · 09-08-2011, 08:09 PM

I think people have been guessing much larger figures than what this car will actually be.

This is the Miata vs MKII

Now the MKII is 166.7 inches, and we know the production BRZ will be 165 inches, so even closer to the Miata.

According to wikipedia, the MX-5 weighs 2,410 lbs. Since is it a convertible can we not assume there has been weight added for frame reinforcements?

Why can this car not be under 2600lbs?

Slide · 09-08-2011, 08:20 PM

It can but everyone doubts it.

Would be great if it was less then that.

Neutral_Eyes · 09-08-2011, 08:51 PM

When you design a car as a convertible, you don't have to fatten it up with frame reinforcements (from removing a roof).

I'm all for low weight, but if it has to be fat I hope it feels light on its feet.

ryude · 09-08-2011, 09:11 PM

Convertibles DO require frame reinforcements, and typically they weigh 200 lbs more than non-convertibles. Also, isn't this car gonna have seats in the back right? About 100 lbs extra right there. Depending on the type of suspension, it will weigh more. I remember seeing double wishbone. Double wishbone weighs a good bit compared to other suspensions, but improves handling by a lot.

Slide · 09-08-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ryude

Convertibles DO require frame reinforcements, and typically they weigh 200 lbs more than non-convertibles. Also, isn't this car gonna have seats in the back right? About 100 lbs extra right there. Depending on the type of suspension, it will weigh more. I remember seeing double wishbone. Double wishbone weighs a good bit compared to other suspensions, but improves handling by a lot.

What he said is all true.

Neutral_Eyes · 09-08-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ryude

Convertibles DO require frame reinforcements, and typically they weigh 200 lbs more than non-convertibles. Also, isn't this car gonna have seats in the back right? About 100 lbs extra right there. Depending on the type of suspension, it will weigh more. I remember seeing double wishbone. Double wishbone weighs a good bit compared to other suspensions, but improves handling by a lot.

If it's just a small 2+2 pseudo seat, it's probably nowhere near 100 lbs. But they should be easily removed for a slight weight cut. It'll have MacStruts in the front and double wishbones in the rear.

ryude · 09-08-2011, 10:11 PM

If I had to really guess, I'd say MAX weight will be 2700 lbs. There is just no reason it should weigh more than that.

sfwg · 09-08-2011, 10:15 PM

may PLASTIC saturn ion weighs 2700lbs so it needs to be equal or lighter than that for me to buy it.

Random_Art · 09-08-2011, 10:50 PM

Since i've said it already. I'll just link
http://ft86club.com/forums/showpost....9&postcount=57

Allch Chcar · 09-08-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Random_Art

Since i've said it already. I'll just link
http://ft86club.com/forums/showpost....9&postcount=57

When did you become such a smartass?

I kid I kid.

The Celica has nothing in common with the FR-S/BRZ.

I just know that the 2012 Impreza is 2950lbs and the Coupe is going to be lighter. Dunno what else to say

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Mr.Jay · 09-09-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sfwg

may PLASTIC saturn ion weighs 2700lbs so it needs to be equal or lighter than that for me to buy it.

I think it will be lighter than 2700 but im confused you say plastic like its steel or something

Id expect a plastic car to weight like 1800

fatoni · 09-09-2011, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryude

Convertibles DO require frame reinforcements, and typically they weigh 200 lbs more than non-convertibles. Also, isn't this car gonna have seats in the back right? About 100 lbs extra right there. Depending on the type of suspension, it will weigh more. I remember seeing double wishbone. Double wishbone weighs a good bit compared to other suspensions, but improves handling by a lot.

that only makes sense if you make a car and then turn it into a convertible. mazda is and has always been very concerned about weight and i dont think toyota will be able to close in on that the first run through.

aside from that i bet toyota sticks some huge wheels on the thing too. its not going to be under 2600lbs and the current miata weighs more than the 24xx mentioned earlier

VenomRush · 09-09-2011, 01:22 AM

ima take a guess and say this is the 4th? thread about the weight

iff2mastamatt · 09-09-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by VenomRush

ima take a guess and say this is the 4th? thread about the weight

Isn't speculation great?

09-08-2011, 08:09 PM	#1
KaliKev FT86 News Addict Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: Toyota FJ Location: United States Posts: 386 Thanks: 3 Thanked 42 Times in 26 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lets talk weight I think people have been guessing much larger figures than what this car will actually be. This is the Miata vs MKII Now the MKII is 166.7 inches, and we know the production BRZ will be 165 inches, so even closer to the Miata. According to wikipedia, the MX-5 weighs 2,410 lbs. Since is it a convertible can we not assume there has been weight added for frame reinforcements? Why can this car not be under 2600lbs?

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ryude Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Drives: Volkswagen GTI Location: Louisiana Posts: 466 Thanks: 6 Thanked 32 Times in 13 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Convertibles DO require frame reinforcements, and typically they weigh 200 lbs more than non-convertibles. Also, isn't this car gonna have seats in the back right? About 100 lbs extra right there. Depending on the type of suspension, it will weigh more. I remember seeing double wishbone. Double wishbone weighs a good bit compared to other suspensions, but improves handling by a lot.

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