CSG and RCE tag-team suspension Q&A thread! Ask us anything!

[cmiovino]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

This forum is so damn clunky it's getting outrageous. Having so much trouble posting and and PMing lately.

Anyway, we have definitely seen our share of "uneven" Subarus in our time including from the factory. The left rear especially can be quite a bit heavier and you can see it in the various corner weights posted over the years, so that makes some sense here.

The full inch difference for the perches is a little more than usual...there may also be something bound up.

It's a pain but swapping the assemblies side to side would be 1 test (seeing if you need to adjust the perches the same way to get the even height).

If you're able, getting the car on some scales would be a good test as well.

Your new lower ride height should make a big difference.

- Andrew

Interesting on the "uneven" issue. I searched for some used examples pulled off cars on marketplace and all the rears look uneven, which supports your statement.

I do know proper corner balancing is the the way, but wanted to get at least a few events under my belt on these (or even a full season) to get a feel for them.

I will have to get the rear realigned. I did a string alignment check yesterday and from the 5/8" lowering my 1/16 toe in is now 1/32 toe out. At least it's even side to side and not wildly out of spec.

Thanks for the help. I will say these ride incredibly well on the street here with our garbage roads in Pittsburgh.

[cmiovino]

Final update. All issues appear fixed with the lower ride height. Everything was nice and smooth on course. Moral of the story: Read the directions and stick to the manufacturer's recommended initial setup parameters. If anything, I'll say they soak up the bumps in the back of this lot that other setups bounce a lot on.

Corner balancing will likely be in the future down the road to get the most out of them.

Thanks for the help/recommendations.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by cmiovino

Final update. All issues appear fixed with the lower ride height. Everything was nice and smooth on course. Moral of the story: Read the directions and stick to the manufacturer's recommended initial setup parameters. If anything, I'll say they soak up the bumps in the back of this lot that other setups bounce a lot on.

Corner balancing will likely be in the future down the road to get the most out of them.

Thanks for the help/recommendations.

- Andrew

[N_Raged]

Looking for input on my roadmap for my 2019 BRZ PP.

Current setup: tS conversion with STi pink springs on Bilstein B6, STi draw stiffener, and flexible strut V bars. Perrin front 22mm sway bar. Front camber bolts. 225/45R17 RE71RS on 17x8 Enkei TS10. Fujitsubo Axleback. G-Loc R6 pads.

I have been competitive in my "stock" class at autocross, but now I am considering what I can do in the fully modded class as I am craving more tire and more camber.

This is a daily driven car year-round (winter as well) so I don't want to lower it, and the Bilsteins are too busy on Toronto's horrible roads.

So instead of going full coilovers, does this path make sense?: Replace the Bilstein B6 with adjustable Tein Endurapro Plus on the same STi pink springs. However add on Raceseng adjustable tophats for the front (ditching the camber bolts), and adjustable SPC LCA in the rear - both making room for 245/40R17 tires on 17x9 wheels.

The Endurapros are loved by the Miata community - comfortable on the soft settings, and better body control on the stiff settings than their factory Bilsteins. And they are very affordable!

[strat61caster]

Raceseng discontinued their camber plates from what I can tell, and when I emailed to get some support and order replacement parts I got no help. Damn shame they are the best camber plates I’ve ever worked with. You might be able to find a pair used or some old stock laying around but don’t trust whatever online stores say they have imho, if they don’t have a tracking number witha package on its way to your door within a week cancel the order and get your money back. Verus or vorshlag are probably your next best bet. Ground control maybe.

If you’re shooting for more then about 3 degrees of camber you will need to keep camber bolts in the equation, especially with oe sized springs as they will limit how far inboard you can bring the strut with the camber plate iirc.

Otherwise seems like a nice setup, don’t throw the bilstein away and keep them as a backup imho, I’ve never heard of endurapros before.

Seems reasonable otherwise.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by N_Raged

Looking for input on my roadmap for my 2019 BRZ PP.

Current setup: tS conversion with STi pink springs on Bilstein B6, STi draw stiffener, and flexible strut V bars. Perrin front 22mm sway bar. Front camber bolts. 225/45R17 RE71RS on 17x8 Enkei TS10. Fujitsubo Axleback. G-Loc R6 pads.

I have been competitive in my "stock" class at autocross, but now I am considering what I can do in the fully modded class as I am craving more tire and more camber.

This is a daily driven car year-round (winter as well) so I don't want to lower it, and the Bilsteins are too busy on Toronto's horrible roads.

So instead of going full coilovers, does this path make sense?: Replace the Bilstein B6 with adjustable Tein Endurapro Plus on the same STi pink springs. However add on Raceseng adjustable tophats for the front (ditching the camber bolts), and adjustable SPC LCA in the rear - both making room for 245/40R17 tires on 17x9 wheels.

The Endurapros are loved by the Miata community - comfortable on the soft settings, and better body control on the stiff settings than their factory Bilsteins. And they are very affordable!

Have no experience with the Teins, but I bet they could be adjusted to be comfortable at least. The Bilsteins IMO are good but I'd trim the bumpstops (internal in front). They're too long.

Would not use the Raceseng plates on OEM style struts. They're otherwise very good but also probably discontinued. You could talk to Verus and see what you need to run them on OEM style struts.

Another option for camber in the front is the Cusco front lower control arm. Nice rubber bushings and they can add some camber (while adding track width). Not as much as you can with camber plates, but maybe add the Pedders offset OEM style mounts. That would ride better camber plates on crap Toronto roads.

- Andrew

[Pat]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Raceseng discontinued their camber plates from what I can tell, and when I emailed to get some support and order replacement parts I got no help. Damn shame they are the best camber plates I’ve ever worked with. You might be able to find a pair used or some old stock laying around but don’t trust whatever online stores say they have imho, if they don’t have a tracking number witha package on its way to your door within a week cancel the order and get your money back. Verus or vorshlag are probably your next best bet. Ground control maybe.

If you’re shooting for more then about 3 degrees of camber you will need to keep camber bolts in the equation, especially with oe sized springs as they will limit how far inboard you can bring the strut with the camber plate iirc.

Otherwise seems like a nice setup, don’t throw the bilstein away and keep them as a backup imho, I’ve never heard of endurapros before.

Seems reasonable otherwise.

I had the same experience.
I know of two sets of CasCam plates for sale, both used in good condition. Send me a private message if you want to talk.

[ruturaj001]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Raceseng discontinued their camber plates from what I can tell, and when I emailed to get some support and order replacement parts I got no help. Damn shame they are the best camber plates I’ve ever worked with. You might be able to find a pair used or some old stock laying around but don’t trust whatever online stores say they have imho, if they don’t have a tracking number witha package on its way to your door within a week cancel the order and get your money back. Verus or vorshlag are probably your next best bet. Ground control maybe.

If you’re shooting for more then about 3 degrees of camber you will need to keep camber bolts in the equation, especially with oe sized springs as they will limit how far inboard you can bring the strut with the camber plate iirc.

Otherwise seems like a nice setup, don’t throw the bilstein away and keep them as a backup imho, I’ve never heard of endurapros before.

Seems reasonable otherwise.

I don't know if this is valid or reincarnation of those plates (color scheme is different, says pre order)

https://www.importimageracing.com/pr...-brz-2013-2019

[ruturaj001]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Would not use the Raceseng plates on OEM style struts.
- Andrew

May I know why? I am not sure if I should just get camber plates with stock suspension or jump to coilovers.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by ruturaj001

May I know why? I am not sure if I should just get camber plates with stock suspension or jump to coilovers.

The way the Raceseng camber plates mount with their integrated upper spring perch on OEM style struts reduces bump travel a decent amount. They're great plates with coilovers.

- Andrew

[N_Raged]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

If you’re shooting for more then about 3 degrees of camber you will need to keep camber bolts in the equation, especially with oe sized springs as they will limit how far inboard you can bring the strut with the camber plate iirc.

Yea that's what I'm worried about - would prevent me from fitting 245/40R17 tires on 17x9 wheels, unless I had a really small offset (huge spacers).

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Would not use the Raceseng plates on OEM style struts. They're otherwise very good but also probably discontinued. You could talk to Verus and see what you need to run them on OEM style struts.

Because the Endura pro+ are relatively new on the market, no one has tried them with the Verus plates yet. So not even the guys at Verus knows if their plates will have top nut compatibility issues with these like they do with the Koni Yellows.

[ruturaj001]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

The way the Raceseng camber plates mount with their integrated upper spring perch on OEM style struts reduces bump travel a decent amount. They're great plates with coilovers.

- Andrew

Thank you. Which plates work with stock suspension without affecting bump travel?

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by ruturaj001

Thank you. Which plates work with stock suspension without affecting bump travel?

Any that still use the OEM upper spring perch won't have that problem, but may raise the car instead. The Verus plates with the slightly recessed design will likely only be a minimal change in ride height. I have not used them personally on OEM struts.

- Andrew

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by ruturaj001

I don't know if this is valid or reincarnation of those plates (color scheme is different, says pre order)

https://www.importimageracing.com/pr...-brz-2013-2019

They call them fortune auto cascam and then stole the pictures and description without understanding the product. My guess is you’d order and they’d never arrive, if you’re lucky they will admit the mistake and give you your money back quickly.

Looks like another low effort drop shipping site.