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11-21-2020, 05:21 PM | #29 | |
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You're definitely right. But Sergio Marchionne once said that to exist in an automotive market you have to make numbers, and also many. And he was right. Atlantis teaches... You can't think of living alone only on American sales numbers. So much so that some American companies have saved themselves in aggregation. If you are a conglomerate you have to make global platforms and produce to sell all over the world. Otherwise the business is not standing. How do you make a small European-cut BMW X1 you also do it of high displacement for Americans but it is not that you stop producing it. Today in Europe vehicles such as Yaris Gr , Abarth 500, Corsa, Renault Clio, Megane RS, are loved and gain market but real sport coupes aren't sold. Brz/86 arrived, now there is a risk that to look only overseas you loose the entire European market that at the middle class level cannot pay 66k euros of 718 (Italian base stock price edition). In the long term, I do not know whether trade policy is really performing. Nissan itself had problems when approached models in this way.
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you guys do know we have a new section for the BRZ
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=98 |
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Yeeah ! Maybe Admins can move this thread?
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GR Yaris is a money-losing project for Toyota, only justified by their WRC homologation requirements.
Subaru brand as a whole probably has a couple years left in Europe. I expect the brand to disappear here very soon... their engines aren't compatible with EU market regulations, and it doesn't look like they're going to deploy hybridization quickly enough. They stuck to boxer engines, and today their packaging puts them at a disadvantage for electrification and turbocharging. Unlike other manufacturers of inline-4 engines, they cannot downsize and make 3 cylinder boxers. I expect the new Subaru WRX and STI to skip Europe as well. Clio RS and Megane RS may have reached end of the line... Renault execs have said they might never get replaced, because after taxes and penalties, prices will be pushed to a level where they would compete with "real" sports cars like their Alpine A110. So I'd count the RS line as dead. Sadly our best bet in Europe is buying used right when a model is killed and the interest fades.. but before it becomes a classic and used prices rise again. |
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Just because it was spotted testing at the 'ring with a benchmark car doesn't mean much, especially at early development stages.
One the one hand, Toyota EU seems better suited to sell the car here due to their much better average fleet emissions. On the other hand: -the 1st gen. car appealed to a small market, which has likely grown smaller (some gen. 1 buyers may not be the regular, repeat type of customer, plus a 2.4 nat. asp engin will be much more taxed than the '13 car when when it was launched) -they have no one to share the homologation costs with -Toyota doesn't need a halo car as much as it did seven years ago, with the Supra and the GR Yaris already on the market I'd say the odds are split at this stage. |
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This must be the sour grapes thread
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Yeah, you need something for road trips, but honestly, if I had an EV and was planning a road trip, I'd just rent something. |
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That's where we differ, even though it is a viable option. I don't want to have to rent something when I have a perfectly good vehicle capable of doing the mission at home, and I don't want to have to add hours to my drive because of charge times. So, unless Hydrogen becomes a real thing, or charge times get to under 20 minutes, I'm going to own one ICE road trip car.
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For the amount of driving I do and the climate I live in an ev makes sense. However, my car is paid for and has 62k on it so that makes things less complicated lol
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Can you imagine that... a world where most people don't even know how to operate a vehicle. It will be like a toddler figuring out how to walk. Good thing I'm not in that lifetime.
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Already headed that way and driverless vehicles are not even widespread yet. I read someplace that the percent of the driving population is dropping at a rate of around 2% a year. Doesn't sound like much but it will add up fast.
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