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The hybrid thing is total BS, I can't fathom them doing anything like that. Dumb.
A straight G16 turbo ICE 86/BRZ is probably even less likely for a million different reasons.. but there is one reason they should do it: it would be pure frickin' gold. I think it could be done for around $40k and would weigh the same, if not less. Yes lots of things would have to change aside from the engine. I think it would be a better/more fun car in every way except engine response. Not that the FA24 is notably responsive. It's average for an NA engine, just the fact that it is NA in our current world of turbos helps it stand out. *edit* as added bonus I think there would be enough room between the engine and radiator for an extra luggage compartment ![]() Last edited by fredzy; 03-29-2023 at 01:04 PM. |
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Obviously I'm not everyone, but for me, I wouldn't be.
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When there are no more ICE sports cars you (plural) won't have a choice. I'm still hoping some manufacturer (Mazda's gram-strategy? Lotus' add lightness?) will make a lowish HP, light weight, fun EV sports car. Something like the original Tesla Roadster with modern battery tech and less weight. I'm just sick of modern cars (ICE and EV) solving performance (and fun) by adding power instead of removing weight.
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I understood many of the EV mandates to be for cars to be electrified in some way, i.e. hybrids or PHEVs versus a total ban on the sale of ICE vehicles, though I do think that does exist in some countries. Most of those mandates kick in around 2030 or 2035. If the BRZ runs a typical 8 year lifecycle, that puts us at 2030. No way anyone would develop a totally new car that could only be on the market for a few years. If done right, you could use electrification to boost performance along-side the ICE instead of forced induction. This would put you on the road toward total electrification. All that said, any change in that direction moves the 86 platform totally away from it's current design brief and won't be the car we know/love today. Weight, complexity, cost, and likely size, will all go up. If it survives to see a change of this type at all... Based on what we're seeing today, a small PHEV or EV sportscar might have a market in that world of the future. It would be a huge departure from all the soulless EV blobs we see on the road today. Other than Tesla's toying with the idea, no other mainstream automaker is even talking about an enthusiast EV/PHEV sportscar |
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Also, Porsche seem pretty serious with the 718 EV and have so far offered the best driving mainstream EV (the Taycan). Lotus and Alpine are also promising fun EVs (with things like a "mid-engine" battery pack and continuation of lightweight aluminum chassis), but these are less concrete. |
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I also forgot about Lotus and hadn't heard Alpine as going to do a EV successor to the A110, but in my mind, both produce such low numbers I don't really categorize them as "mainstream". I tend to lump Lotus into the same category as Aston, Ferrari, and others. Not because of the cost of their vehicles, but more because of their rarity on the roads. |
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My wild ass guess...
Optimistically, the 2nd gen makes it to 2028 or so. Minimal changes over that time period, possibly a performance pack. If the BRZ/86 continue to exist after that...and it might not...it will either be a hybrid or full electric. I don't see them both switching to a Toyota platform, which means either that's it for the BRZ and the 86 continues on it's own (unlikely) or the twins use whatever the new Subaru Global Platform EV/hybrid version will be. If you want a regular old ICE twin...this is most likely it. Almost 0 chance there's another ICE only generation. Maybe a refresh like the 2017-20 models. Just my opinion. That said, I think a hybrid BRZ could be done in a way that is engaging and fun. We'll see. Again just a wild ass guess and I'm making this up as I type. - Andrew |
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You employ the exact same recipe as the 1st gen Honda Insight, Honda CRZ, and most of the Mazdas sold in Europe (the e-Skyactiv-X cars). You take an efficient gas engine, you put an electric motor between it and the flywheel, you mount up the rest of the clutch and a manual transmission, and you top it off with a small battery pack (5-6 kWh). Done. You get a manual-transmission mild hybrid with the benefit of a greatly aided power curve (much more power/torque at low RPMs), along with dramatically increased fuel efficiency. In the case of the Mazda3 sold in Europe, they offer two versions: the normal petrol version (identical to what we have here), and the e-Skyactiv X version. The weight difference is a whopping... 134 lbs. I'd take that tradeoff in a heartbeat, especially since the batteries can be located in the spare tire well to aid in weight distribution (unlike FI, which pretty much has to go where the engine is). |
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