3-28-23 DON'T UPDATE YOUR ECUTEK PRO ECU SOFTWARE!!

[tomm.brz]

if you have a working flex tune, you can always open or flash it
but if you/your tuner tries to open it having updated the Proecu software then some tables are greyed out and not accesible to be modified

the CAN things are only for tunes with racerom 13.1 applied

ask your tuner if you have to mod it, maybe they have a backup laptop with another kit and an old version proecu

[Eazy-V]

Ok I see, luckily I don't have to mod it for now, but this definitely sucks for the future. I was also thinking about getting a Delicious Tuning Flash and Go, so I wonder how they're handling this.

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

if you have a working flex tune, you can always open or flash it
but if you/your tuner tries to open it having updated the Proecu software then some tables are greyed out and not accesible to be modified

the CAN things are only for tunes with racerom 13.1 applied

ask your tuner if you have to mod it, maybe they have a backup laptop with another kit and an old version proecu

[tomm.brz]

lol don't do it

[tomm.brz]

i have no intentions of making any kind of fun about California situation, as it s horrible of course
but
i can t help to find extremely ironic that they started all of those shitty things about emissions and CARB tunes and ECU pass checks and basically forced Ecutek and all other tuning systems to close their software, making tuning for tuners a nightmare.. and now California's fire is polluting the entire world probably more than all our cars in this forum together ever did

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

i have no intentions of making any kind of fun about California situation, as it s horrible of course
but
i can t help to find extremely ironic that they started all of those shitty things about emissions and CARB tunes and ECU pass checks and basically forced Ecutek and all other tuning systems to close their software, making tuning for tuners a nightmare.. and now California's fire is polluting the entire world probably more than all our cars in this forum together ever did

At least they can't really do much about that. The worst is shit like this:

"Brussels Airlines makes 3,000 empty flights just to maintain airport slots"

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

i have no intentions of making any kind of fun about California situation, as it s horrible of course
but
i can t help to find extremely ironic that they started all of those shitty things about emissions and CARB tunes and ECU pass checks and basically forced Ecutek and all other tuning systems to close their software, making tuning for tuners a nightmare.. and now California's fire is polluting the entire world probably more than all our cars in this forum together ever did

Please, educate yourself before spewing nonsense.

Ecutek's changes have nothing to do with California/CARB, and entirely to do with the EPA.

The irony here? Even actual racecars have catalytic converters. Racecars that are rarely/never raced in California. Many not even in North America. These cars had catalytic converters long before the EPA started clamping down.


Not sure what the fires in California have to do with software changes. In the last 6 months, Los Angeles has seen less than 1mm of rain, after an extremely rainy 2023/2024 winter. Combine that with winds exceeding 200kph...

[tomm.brz]

thanks for clarification about epa carb etc...
i m far away to understand american regulations and how your federal states work together about this.. i just know that Ecutek answered me that because of regulation in America, they are going to do the same thing in Europe, blocking all analog I/O and forcing people to use CAN sensors and actuators

i have nothing against catalytic converters, i have much against limitations in the software because of a Country in the opposite side of the world who tries to dictate rules to everybody ( The Country being US...not really a news äh? )

of course fires in California have nothing to do with software i haven t said so
I just said that it s ironic that this recent disaster in California basically vanifies years and years of what EPA/CARB could have done, emission-wise
Also not trying to make fun of this, California can have very frequent incident like this but you know, Italy has disasters every year too and they usually make a lot more dead and damage... there are cities that are still not rebuilt and basically ghost towns since it would take billions to do and we don t have Biden printing money out of nowhere

i m just judging Ecutek, they should just provide software and hardware and not trying to save the world imposing limits
If someone makes something bad with it, they shouldn t feel to have responsability and block things like when you hide candies from a baby
like if i am planning to build a bomb to kill people using excel for inventary or calculation, it is not Microsoft's guilt

Hope the best for California... and I also hope the best for us all from next week, when that schizofrenic mentally ill person will go in charge

[geraldjust]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

thanks for clarification about epa carb etc...
i m far away to understand american regulations and how your federal states work together about this.. i just know that Ecutek answered me that because of regulation in America, they are going to do the same thing in Europe, blocking all analog I/O and forcing people to use CAN sensors and actuators

i have nothing against catalytic converters, i have much against limitations in the software because of a Country in the opposite side of the world who tries to dictate rules to everybody ( The Country being US...not really a news äh? )

of course fires in California have nothing to do with software i haven t said so
I just said that it s ironic that this recent disaster in California basically vanifies years and years of what EPA/CARB could have done, emission-wise
Also not trying to make fun of this, California can have very frequent incident like this but you know, Italy has disasters every year too and they usually make a lot more dead and damage... there are cities that are still not rebuilt and basically ghost towns since it would take billions to do and we don t have Biden printing money out of nowhere

i m just judging Ecutek, they should just provide software and hardware and not trying to save the world imposing limits
If someone makes something bad with it, they shouldn t feel to have responsability and block things like when you hide candies from a baby
like if i am planning to build a bomb to kill people using excel for inventary or calculation, it is not Microsoft's guilt

Hope the best for California... and I also hope the best for us all from next week, when that schizofrenic mentally ill person will go in charge

if you ever saw old movies that were recored in california you would know that their used to be a weird fog smog hase that was absolute horrible air quality. Because of the unique geography this was a disaster, and this was the reason for the creation of CARB. Within the decade this make the difference. Now we dont even think about how bad the air used to be, with smog, lead in the air , the Ozone hole, etc..

Plus if cars never had a need to change and improve, we would still be driving V8s with 6miles to the gallon making 130hp.

It sucks we cant have our treats, but changing the ability from analog to digital input/output signals is probably the best compromise we can have.

[tomm.brz]

Apart from California's geographical features that lead to smog stagnation, I think it could be also a consequence of the fact that the United States has always felt grandiose, proud, and entitled to do whatever it wants. From the very beginning, you shouldn’t even have had those absurd V8 engines that consume like coal chimneys and enormous cars for everyone, just because gasoline there costs a fifth of what it does in Europe. Here, aside from supercars owned by the super-rich, you don’t see huge, useless american V8s, and if your car exceeds a certain power, you pay a tax. If it pollutes more than a certain amount, you pay a tax.

In Italy, in large cities that are most affected by air pollution, Sunday traffic bans are implemented, and they work. Energy-efficient and earthquake-resistant homes are being built and incentivized (I’m talking about recently constructed buildings). However, unfortunately, decades of corrupt politics and mafia infiltration in the construction sector have caused significant damage..Houses may be energy-efficient, but they collapse at the first earthquake
Now I’m digressing too much, but what irritates me is that a British company has to fear and comply with what the American EPA dictates, when the United States is among the first to devastate the planet, on par with China and, I suppose, soon India/Bangladesh.

What annoys me about Ecutek is that you can still map exactly as before, just in a more complicated way, making sensors and actuators obsolete... which will end up in the trash, creating even more pollution.

Oh well, Racerom 13 is trash anyway and i m staying away from it and keep on tuning

[Xero-Limit]

Originally Posted by geraldjust

if you ever saw old movies that were recored in california you would know that their used to be a weird fog smog hase that was absolute horrible air quality.

CA does have unique issues due to the walling off by the sierras. You can really appreciate it looking towards Bakersfield from the San Bernadino mountains. The smog has nowhere to go once it gets into the valleys.

But with that said, in the grand scheme of things, modified vehicles probably represent a miniscule fraction of all miles driven. I'd wager just a couple tankers off the port of long beach (unregulated emissions) likely outdo the cumulative sum of all the catless vehicles in CA. Many states have exemptions for low mileage cars (I.E. 5000 miles or less annual). Something like that would make sense if it was ever implemented and have near zero impact on air quality.

[geraldjust]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

Apart from California's geographical features that lead to smog stagnation, I think it could be also a consequence of the fact that the United States has always felt grandiose, proud, and entitled to do whatever it wants. From the very beginning, you shouldn’t even have had those absurd V8 engines that consume like coal chimneys and enormous cars for everyone, just because gasoline there costs a fifth of what it does in Europe. Here, aside from supercars owned by the super-rich, you don’t see huge, useless american V8s, and if your car exceeds a certain power, you pay a tax. If it pollutes more than a certain amount, you pay a tax.

In Italy, in large cities that are most affected by air pollution, Sunday traffic bans are implemented, and they work. Energy-efficient and earthquake-resistant homes are being built and incentivized (I’m talking about recently constructed buildings). However, unfortunately, decades of corrupt politics and mafia infiltration in the construction sector have caused significant damage..Houses may be energy-efficient, but they collapse at the first earthquake
Now I’m digressing too much, but what irritates me is that a British company has to fear and comply with what the American EPA dictates, when the United States is among the first to devastate the planet, on par with China and, I suppose, soon India/Bangladesh.

What annoys me about Ecutek is that you can still map exactly as before, just in a more complicated way, making sensors and actuators obsolete... which will end up in the trash, creating even more pollution.

Oh well, Racerom 13 is trash anyway and i m staying away from it and keep on tuning

yeah geographical features always determine how bad something like smog can be so i cant say about other countries. the unfortunate part os that their are other industries that also need fixing. We live next to a airport and the smell of the lead gas can also be obnoxious. lol

ohh well the sensors are not obsolete at all! we actually used the same FF sensor, same, Fuel pressure sensor, same boost solenoid sensors. It just runs though out box. so no need to toss any of that.

BUT!! i got to disagree that RR13 is trash. its absolutely amazing. the blending tables for FF for Pi/DI are much better. the tables dont work like prev patches on picking a optimal fuel then making custom tables for to then to guesstimate for the other fuel.. etc..

Was able to get 334 HP on a C30 with just FF. Stock headers etc.. was able to match a C38 that was there a week earlier running on a older RR. The gains ARE real.

oh plus for you euro people, the "can only" part of the inputs only apply to USDM roms. not to aus or euro ones. so you can can still use your sensors on RR13.

[tomm.brz]

No i can't use analog sensors and actuators on racerom 13, they are literally disappeared from tune and Ecutek confirmed me via Email.. when they started talked about EPA as a reason for all of these I just closed the email and archivied that as "trash"

EPA here CARB there and then you to United States and find this:



Really? leaded fuel on gas station? that alone means it s going to be used by decatted racing cars and tetrahetyle lead is 200% cancerougenic and gives birth defects

If the egocentrism of United States government isn't enough, think that you pay 1 Liter of 91oct around 1,05$ which is 0,95€
in Europe we have 90% of available fuel at gas station, the same quality of your 91oct (actually a bit lower quality) for exactly double the price
And be sure it is not only because of taxes and duties this different in quality and price

Also, apart from Microstates that basically act illegaly as tax shelters for born-rich people, US has a pretty high Number of cars pro Capita.
I don't even go now to check the charts, but i'm pretty sure US could win easily the Most Polluting Country in the world, at least Pro Capita

[tomm.brz]

Originally Posted by geraldjust

yeah geographical features always determine how bad something like smog can be so i cant say about other countries. the unfortunate part os that their are other industries that also need fixing. We live next to a airport and the smell of the lead gas can also be obnoxious. lol

ohh well the sensors are not obsolete at all! we actually used the same FF sensor, same, Fuel pressure sensor, same boost solenoid sensors. It just runs though out box. so no need to toss any of that.

BUT!! i got to disagree that RR13 is trash. its absolutely amazing. the blending tables for FF for Pi/DI are much better. the tables dont work like prev patches on picking a optimal fuel then making custom tables for to then to guesstimate for the other fuel.. etc..

Was able to get 334 HP on a C30 with just FF. Stock headers etc.. was able to match a C38 that was there a week earlier running on a older RR. The gains ARE real.

oh plus for you euro people, the "can only" part of the inputs only apply to USDM roms. not to aus or euro ones. so you can can still use your sensors on RR13.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DElsirTPGMl/?img_index=1

they used a can flex fuel sensor, i dont think ALL flex sensors are can ready
I m actually using racerom 13.2 from the beginning, the garbage part was excessive but i was referring that i cant use wideband anymore, oil pressure sensor anymore and i don't want to spend other money for them
Also, i find bugs everyday on it and i m submitting them to ecutek hoping they ll fix them soon
For NA and supercharged cars can be good enough, if no bugs.

We dont have e85 readily available but the people i ve done all have non-can sensors so they wont work with rr13

the tables you re referring about flex fuel... you can do EXACTLY the same things before just with a bit more work
Now easier and quicker
Do you know who will benefit most of this? Delicious with their atrocious speeddensity based canned tunes

the burble feature is nice, better than pops and bangs for sure
Blending PI/DI for flex fuel is nice too, as you can use more DI with petrol and more PI with ethanol making everything better instead of create complicate custom maps or a compromise

The fact that your tuner made a good improvement is unrelated to racerom13.. it s just more tables available , if you got better result, the tune before wasn t so good then and now it has become better

also Fail safe are nice... but could do that even before, not too complicated

what's more.. Fuel compensation per map? nice for different racing fuel, but could do even before with a single custom map
Custom maps have become much smaller now though to make space for the new things

Launch control is much better, flat foot shift also can also create flames if you want as now there is control over Fuel cut, you can disable 2 cylinder or 0 or all of them

Valet mode could be better, as if you enable it, the car stays in valet mode forever until you flash again without valet mode enabled... easy to do with rr12 too anyway

Fuel strategy override is nice as you can set full time closed loop like in restyling cars, even for older cars, or force open loop everywhere ( maybe you have a leak in the exhaust and before fixing it you can at least driving normally (if tune is well made)

Basically, there is nothing you couldn't do before if one knows how to do in previous racerom

[Teseo]

Originally Posted by geraldjust

if you ever saw old movies that were recored in california you would know that their used to be a weird fog smog hase that was absolute horrible air quality. Because of the unique geography this was a disaster, and this was the reason for the creation of CARB. Within the decade this make the difference. Now we dont even think about how bad the air used to be, with smog, lead in the air , the Ozone hole, etc..

Plus if cars never had a need to change and improve, we would still be driving V8s with 6miles to the gallon making 130hp.

It sucks we cant have our treats, but changing the ability from analog to digital input/output signals is probably the best compromise we can have.

Meanwhile Texan drive diesel pick up like charcoal train