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53 | 51.96% |
Moderna |
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27 | 26.47% |
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6 | 5.88% |
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4 | 3.92% |
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0 | 0% |
Sputnik |
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1 | 0.98% |
Convidecia |
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0 | 0% |
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11 | 10.78% |
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It seems you think that is a reasonable cost. I'd need to take a closer look at Georgia' program to evaluate it, but states in the south are generally not known for their forward thinking or generosity when it comes to education. Texas has similar sounding programs that, once you get through all the fine print, are remarkably narrow in scope. When I started college a year's tuition and and fees were less than a thousand. Granted, that was a while back. But, even adjusted for inflation todays figures are substantially higher. My son graduated from UT Austin in 2016. His cost for five years was close to $150,000. That's not out of line with your "window" sticker. We and he borrowed probably 60% of that. That's a non-trivial amount of money. We managed it on two salaries and he works as a software engineer for MicroSoft so he is in fairly good shape. Many in the middle class are not so fortunate. They end up borrowing lots of money from (often) predatory lenders and graduate with degrees that offer only middling salary prospects. I had colleagues in their mid 40s who were borrowing money to send their kids to college while still paying off their own student loans. The big fallacy I'm buying into there is that the primary function of education is job preparation. I would argue that nothing is further from the truth. The thing to remember is that when people complain about rise in the "cost" of education they don't realize that the cost of education has not grown, in Texas at least, even as fast as inflation. What has changed is who pays the cost. 40 years ago most folks thought that education future generations was an investment in the future of society. Today that consensus has evaporated. Our self interest is, in many cases, no longer enlightened.
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It is a reasonable cost for what you receive, but I agree it's a non-trivial amount of money. An amount that is manageable with sacrifice, and then assistance for those that truly need it.
Of course, we didn't pay close to $150,000 over 5 years either, so that makes a difference. Both our sons graduated within 4 years, and it was at a a cost of about $12,000 a year paid to the school and for board (they lived either off-campus or at home). Obviously, we paid much less for some of the items listed here. But, we didn't have some secret formula either, anyone could have done it. BTW, I'm not saying you did anything "wrong" in the way you helped your children pay for college, different situations call for different solutions. And some situations don't have a solution, you have to look for an alternative plan. In the end, pretty much anyone that wants to go to college in the US can, and you can do it with minimum or no debt. You can do it the the way your family did, you can do it the way mine did, you can go through the Military, you can go over a longer period of time so you can pay as you go, there's lots of ways besides going $200,000 in debt.
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Nah, we're on page 82. I'd say that's pretty rare for us!
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My piece is said, I'm back on track, sorry for the side trip!
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Lol isn't keeping it on track a topic for the F1 thread?
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And I don't smoke...never had, and have previously had all necessary, standard vaccines. I don't get the flu vaccine because of a severe reaction to it previously...and I hardly ever get sick. Stop sounding like a pompous authority on my health. What made this worse wasn't ignorance by a previous administration. It was, and is because of the constant, incoherent changing of information by our so-called expert on infectious diseases that has back tracked, changed direction and contradicted himself so many times no one know who to trust. Less intrusive approaches to virus prevention were adopted by other areas and had similar, if not better, infection rates. The science says the virus is survivable by 99.x% of the population, and current reports from the CDC say the Covid vaccine appears to be safe for 99.x% of the population. I have an equal chance of dying from either. See the data yourself on deaths related to Covid vaccines since January 2021 here. Source: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
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Regarding the national response to a pandemic, how would anyone expect all the answers from day 1? The most natural course would involve gaining insight over time and thus modifying our response. What doesn't help is when extreme measures are taken to obstruct the process of learning and improving the efficacy of our response as a nation. Last edited by surfwaxsmitty; 03-30-2021 at 05:09 PM. |
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No. Experts were ignored. What country did less and had less problems? We have examples from 50 states with different population densities and different policies and different outcomes per capita, so we have examples of what worked and didn’t work well. Of course, we have some hindsight bias going on, but clearly, the former administration’s general approach to downplaying the severity was problematic, which it later admitted it did, so that point isn’t even contested by them making it odd that it is contested by you. Your assessment of the numbers is poor. The number depends on age, genetics, prior health conditions, exposure rate, strains exposed to, etc. If we are just looking at statistics, how many people have died from the vaccine? Either they had an anaphylactic reaction or developed cancer or anything. At best there might be highly frail individuals who elect to take the vaccine who might compromise their immune system temporarily enough to open themselves up to pneumonia or something, but I am unaware of a prevalence of this. The numbers on prevalence of deaths for COVID vary by area, but the current metric in NYC is 49,648 deaths out of 8.4 million people, so 0.5897% of society has died there, and 99.41% are still alive, so it doesn’t sound bad, but said another way, that is 1 in 170 people in NYC has died of COVID. Maybe that doesn’t sound bad to you, but it is bad. If we consider just those over 65 then the mortality rate was closer to 1 in 75 or something; it’s been a while since I checked so it might be lower now. The exposure is not 100%, so this rate will only get worse. If we had done nothing then the mortality would have included victims of an impacted healthcare system besides those who got COVID, but it would still be just millions or just a small percentage of society. Meanwhile, the vaccine isn’t killing hundreds of thousands of people in the US or millions in the world like COVID, so I don’t know how you can compare the two and conclude the vaccine is just or more dangerous to you or others you could infect.
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But you rebuild cars, right? At some point years ago you probably didn't know very much about the cars you rebuild now. Maybe the first couple times, you screwed up on something. Maybe you didn't realize something needed a certain tolerance to hold up or ft/lb of torque, etc. If you posted on forums about your builds at the time, you probably would have said what you did and that it "worked" (I don't know if you did or not), only to later do more builds or whatever and find out there were better, safer ways to do things. Now you write up a new post about the process, which contradicts what you said earlier. But people say they don't care about your write-ups anymore because you've changed how you did things since the first time. Obviously that doesn't affect people on nearly the same level. But you must agree that when you go through an empirical learning experience with multiple iterations of new discoveries and attempts and results, you find better ways to work the problems, right? And come out with a better build? Why can't you apply this same logic to the researchers who didn't know much about the virus but slowly iterated on their knowledge as time went on, more patients got it, etc.? I don't feel as strongly as everybody in here so this is just a purely honest question. And FWIW, the most primitive example of this is when you're a baby and grow up. You learn so many things by iterating on situations you've come across. No person is born an expert on the world who cannot ever find something to improve upon. A kid sometimes needs to touch a hot object to realize it'll burn them and decide to never do that again.
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