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Old 12-06-2021, 05:07 PM   #2955
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Yes. You are ordered by officials to allow someone behind you to pass. You let off, providing them the opportunity to pass. They don't pass. You are still under orders to allow them to pass. You cannot make them pass. All you can do is control your own car. Given that fact, you do whatever you can within your control to increase the odds of them passing, and therefore complying with official's orders. i.e. brake check.

Sounds like I'm ignoring other factors, doesn't it?
If you are behind me during a track day and I am given a blue flag, the acceptable outcome is to stomp on the brake to "allow" you to pass? I mean I know we both drive twins but that seems excessive
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Old 12-06-2021, 05:09 PM   #2956
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If you are behind me during a track day and I am given a blue flag, the acceptable outcome is to stomp on the brake to "allow" you to pass? I mean I know we both drive twins but that seems excessive
Are you racing, or just driving around a track?
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Old 12-06-2021, 05:11 PM   #2957
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Are you racing, or just driving around a track?

As far as I am aware the same rules apply as far as flags and expected behavior.
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If you are behind me during a track day and I am given a blue flag, the acceptable outcome is to stomp on the brake to "allow" you to pass? I mean I know we both drive twins but that seems excessive
Nah...I'd pass you at the first opportunity. I wouldn't put you in a position to even consider using the brakes.
You know why? Predictability = safety. Regardless of where you are on the track.
This is a fun thread. SO much drama with F1 recently. It's made it soooo good. Let's all be grateful for that.
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Old 12-06-2021, 05:26 PM   #2959
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Nah...I'd pass you at the first opportunity. I wouldn't put you in a position to even consider using the brakes.
LOL well played
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As far as I am aware the same rules apply as far as flags and expected behavior.
Well with racing it's whatever loses you the least amount of time while still accomplishing the swap I would think.

Just track day, whatever gets the guy behind out of your hair the safest way possible.

100% throttle to slamming on the brakes is never a good idea, but coasting down the off line side of a (somewhat) straight and waiting for the guy to pass is one good option. If the guy then runs into you because he is off line himself that's his problem.
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100% throttle to slamming on the brakes is never a good idea
All drivers do this many times each lap.

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but coasting down the off line side of a (somewhat) straight and waiting for the guy to pass is one good option.
No, it's not. That ensures your tires get dirty and the rest of that lap is shot.
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Well with racing it's whatever loses you the least amount of time while still accomplishing the swap I would think.

Just track day, whatever gets the guy behind out of your hair the safest way possible.

100% throttle to slamming on the brakes is never a good idea, but coasting down the off line side of a (somewhat) straight and waiting for the guy to pass is one good option. If the guy then runs into you because he is off line himself that's his problem.
But that is not what happened. Max did coast down, but then slammed the brakes. The data has been released.

BTW I don't hold LH blameless in this. He didn't have to follow directly behind. It is all moot to the championship anyway as that penalty had no effect.

I blame the FIA most of all. Since when does "let them race" mean "run them out of space." They don't have to penalize, but they are failing to establish acceptable standards.
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What do the sporting regs say?
Article 27.5 of the F1 Sporting Regulations states that “…no car may be driven…in a manner which could be potentially dangerous to other drivers…”. Furthermore, Article 27.8 prohibits any manoeuvre “…liable to hinder other drivers, such as…any abnormal change of direction”.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...anoeuvres.html

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Yes. You are ordered by officials to allow someone behind you to pass. You let off, providing them the opportunity to pass. They don't pass. You are still under orders to allow them to pass. You cannot make them pass. All you can do is control your own car. Given that fact, you do whatever you can within your control to increase the odds of them passing, and therefore complying with official's orders. i.e. brake check.

Sounds like I'm ignoring other factors, doesn't it?
It sounds like you violate safety rules on a whim to gain an advantage to me.


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Well with racing it's whatever loses you the least amount of time while still accomplishing the swap I would think.

Just track day, whatever gets the guy behind out of your hair the safest way possible.

100% throttle to slamming on the brakes is never a good idea, but coasting down the off line side of a (somewhat) straight and waiting for the guy to pass is one good option. If the guy then runs into you because he is off line himself that's his problem.
wouldn't it be nice if that's what had happened yesterday
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Old 12-06-2021, 09:31 PM   #2964
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Suppose a drive who has been awarded a pass, instead slows down intentionally to enable pursuers who he knows he can outrun to catch up in the hopes they will be able to relegate the “then leading driver” to a lower place?

Suppose a driver who is awarded a pass pits first? There should be a limit on the validity of the award.

Edit. While I still think there should be a time window to execute a penalty pass my evaluation of this was really wrong.
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I need to rewatch this.
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After reading more - geeezzzuzz.
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After reading more - geeezzzuzz.
Hey, at least it is slightly more civil then the covid threads
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Hey, at least it is slightly more civil then the covid threads
LOL. 69 bar of pedal pressure. 2.4 G of braking force. Did I read that right? How did Max not get DQ’d?
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