S2000 vs 86

[Kurochan]

How does an 86 with a header and tune on 98 octane (Europe gas so its probably similar to your 91 octane) compare to an s2000? Mine has a test pipe and is approximately 30kg lighter than a stock S.

Im curious how a header+tune 86 on square 255 compares to a 255 square S2000. Im guessing the S is getting a major beatdown

The reason I'm looking to trade in is not because the S is a bad car, quite the opposite actually. I just really prefer how coupes look and I never really look back at the car when I park it (4 seats dont hurt either, it sucks when you cant take more than 1 friend with you), getting even better handling is the icing on the cake. The trade wont cost me any money

[Purist]

Originally Posted by Kurochan

How does an 86 with a header and tune on 98 octane (Europe gas so its probably similar to your 91 octane) compare to an s2000? Mine has a test pipe and is approximately 30kg lighter than a stock S.

Im curious how a header+tune 86 on square 255 compares to a 255 square S2000. Im guessing the S is getting a major beatdown

The reason I'm looking to trade in is not because the S is a bad car, quite the opposite actually. I just really prefer how coupes look (4 seats dont hurt either, it sucks when you cant take more than 1 friend with you), getting even better handling is the icing on the cake. The trade wont cost me any money

I think you might be overthinking this, dude... You're going to have a lot of difficulty trying to explore every combination and permutation of 86 and S2000.



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[Kurochan]

Originally Posted by Purist

I think you might be overthinking this, dude... You're going to have a lot of difficulty trying to explore every combination and permutation of 86 and S2000.



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I'm trying to figure out if what I really care about will be better on the 86 thats all... Its just 255 square is a popular setup on the S and I was curious how the two compare on completely equalized tires

Double wishbones on the S are made to sound like theyre a great advantage but I dont see Porsches doing too badly on their struts. From what I gather the struts dont allow you to adjust camber as well and dont increase negative camber as much as wishbones do when the suspension compresses (which should be negated by camber pins on the 86)

[Purist]

Originally Posted by Kurochan

I'm trying to figure out if what I really care about will be better on the 86 thats all... Its just 255 square is a popular setup on the S and I was curious how the two compare on completely equalized tires

Double wishbones on the S are made to sound like theyre a great advantage but I dont see Porsches doing too badly on their struts. From what I gather the struts dont allow you to adjust camber as well and dont increase negative camber as much as wishbones do when the suspension compresses (which should be negated by camber pins on the 86)

Don't forget that the BRZ has a super low CG due to boxer motor. Lower than a Caymen if I'm not mistaken. That counts for a lot, even though it's McPherson strut vs double wishbone.

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[Dirty Harry]

This guy has owned 3 S2000s so worth a look at his opinion.

[Kurochan]

Still not sure what to do. This is my car

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Kurochan

Still not sure what to do. This is my car

Looking at your car it looks like it is in pretty good condition. If it were me I’d keep it, drive it around for a few more years, it is only likely to go up in value. Whereas a 1st gen twin will be cheaper. In a few years you may be able to pick one up cheap and have both cars. Drive both for a year and then sell one if you want.

If I had an S2000 in that condition I wouldn’t sell it.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Kurochan

Still not sure what to do. This is my car

Looks very nice! My first car had Ultraleggera’s too! I do not miss cleaning those wheels but they’re so pretty.

I agree with the above, if you’re able to keep it nice and prevent it from racking up a lot of miles, it will only appreciate from here on.

[ZDan]

I kept my s2000 until it was a 240k mile rusting heap with cracked windshield.
Yours looks great (except for those hideous headlight washers, my GOD!), if you love it, keep drivin it...

[Kurochan]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Looks very nice! My first car had Ultraleggera’s too! I do not miss cleaning those wheels but they’re so pretty.

I agree with the above, if you’re able to keep it nice and prevent it from racking up a lot of miles, it will only appreciate from here on.

The wheels are gorgeous but yea they never stay clean, even with washing every 3 days

Originally Posted by ZDan

I kept my s2000 until it was a 240k mile rusting heap with cracked windshield.
Yours looks great (except for those hideous headlight washers, my GOD!), if you love it, keep drivin it...

Yea theyre ugly and they also shower you with nasty washer fluid whenever you wipe the windshield, dumbest idea ever

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Looking at your car it looks like it is in pretty good condition. If it were me I’d keep it, drive it around for a few more years, it is only likely to go up in value. Whereas a 1st gen twin will be cheaper. In a few years you may be able to pick one up cheap and have both cars. Drive both for a year and then sell one if you want.

If I had an S2000 in that condition I wouldn’t sell it.

New 86s cost 40k where I live, my S barely costs 18k lol. Even used 86s are 25k+. Well there's always time for a differenr experience, I'm leaning towards keeping the S2000 and getting an 86 way down the line like you're suggesting. Seems like a waste of money right now

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[DarkSunrise]

If you enjoy your s2000, I don’t see a reason to trade for an 86, especially if it would cost you money to do it. The main advantages of the 86 are the fixed roof for track days and the practicality (interior space, cargo space, quieter, security). And looks since you mentioned that. Only you can decide whether those things are worth the price of trading in. Just know that if you want the 86 to match the s2000’s performance, you also need to factor in the cost of mods.

Not sure what else to tell you that hasn’t already been said. I enjoy driving my FRS more than my friends mostly stock AP2 s2000 and my car is faster (canyons and especially track), but my FRS has many more mods. But it was worth it for me since I needed the practicality of the FRS and I’d make the same choice again in a heartbeat. But if you already have the s2000 and it’s practical enough for you, I wouldn’t switch unless there was a compelling reason to do so.

[calcal]

I had both. I came from the AP2 S2000, to 2019 86 TRD SE, but now I have sold my 86, hopping back to another AP2 S2000.

(stock to stock)
the 86 corners better, but "felt" sluggish/slow in higher rev.
the S just overall feel better, not sure why, maybe I am bias to the high end rev push feel from honda engine. I do think from looks the S is more classy as well.

And I miss my S so much that I sold my TRD SE at only 3210 miles last week.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The torque dip is only a problem if you’re in the wrong gear.

The end

Wrong gear, or badly timed shift(s). Pick your poison.

I suppose an automatic would fix that problem, but people love to hate on automatics!

[FRSapex]

Originally Posted by calcal

I had both. I came from the AP2 S2000, to 2019 86 TRD SE, but now I have sold my 86, hopping back to another AP2 S2000.

(stock to stock)
the 86 corners better, but "felt" sluggish/slow in higher rev.
the S just overall feel better, not sure why, maybe I am bias to the high end rev push feel from honda engine. I do think from looks the S is more classy as well.

And I miss my S so much that I sold my TRD SE at only 3210 miles last week.

I had an AP2, should've never sold it. Loved the twitchy nature too, keeps you honest and commands your attention. The prices for AP1 and AP2 are going through the roof these days.