Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

I agree with this. Not every kid is made for college,so saving money for those particular kind of people might end up being a waste,but if you are just saving and in ends up being for retirement,then that's a very good alternative.


I feel like giving your kids the best chance isn't necessarily handing them things that they didn't work for. There's nothing wrong with making them bust their asses to try to get scholarships

Giving your kids the ability to focus on their education and the opportunity to make good decisions is an enormous leg up over forcing them to bootstrap every aspect. My parents helped pay for college and I earned a tuition waiver to a state school. I worked through the summers and learned how to budget/ manage my finances from a fixed number at the start of each year. I was provided a reliable vehicle and understood what the expectation was in exchange for the helping hand. I graduated with 2 engineering degrees and $18k of college debt total. My wife had $1k of loans and a BS in nursing. We both immediately started working, paid off our loans immediately, bought modest vehicles, and a modest starter home. That good start has basically meant we never had to worry about money. We started a family after 6 years of DINK life and moved to a bigger house in a better school district. I’m about to pay that house off before I turn 40. I’m very comfortable with where my retirement accounts are and I live about as thrifty today as I did from when I started out. There has been a ton of luck along the way with no major illnesses, no lost jobs, etc, but starting life where I could make financially prudent decisions, instead of having to choose from 2 bad options, has made such an enormous difference. I’m saving for my daughter to have a good start in life. I hope I can give her the guidance and upbringing to make good, frugal decisions with long term thinking. Plus, she didn’t ask to be brought into this world. I have a hard time convincing myself that I need a Supra more than she is owed a good start… within reason, of course.

On topic: if you currently have a twin, there is zero reason to get the 2nd gen. You’ll spend a lot of money for very modest gains in the long run. Every car is destined to be an old car. Save your money and keep the one you have. Since I no longer have a twin, and haven’t for 3 years, I’d probably do a gen 2 if I were inclined to get back into a sports coupe. It looks like a great drive and is drop dead gorgeous.

[Boomerang]

Originally Posted by alone1i

If money is not an issue, what are good reasons to stick with 1st Gen over 2nd Gen. Curious to know from different angles.

Better fuel economy with first gen?

[saltywetman]

Originally Posted by Boomerang

Better fuel economy with first gen?

most likely better fuel economy with a smaller engine... I'm quite curious how much of a difference fuel economy would be between the 2 gens. Wonder if Gen 1 + 4.8 final drive gear upgrade would be worse off than a gen 2

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by saltywetman

most likely better fuel economy with a smaller engine... I'm quite curious how much of a difference fuel economy would be between the 2 gens. Wonder if Gen 1 + 4.8 final drive gear upgrade would be worse off than a gen 2

I don't think so. According to EPA rating, gen2 seems to get a pretty significant drop in mpg's. I am not 100% set on it being that low, but I am sure it will be something in the 22-26 average compared to the 28-32 average that I tend to get with gen1. Changes between 2013 to 2017 with the 4.1 to 4.3 FD reduced mpg rating by 1. So I imagine with a bump to 4.8, maybe another 2 mpg reduction tops.

Realistically, it will still depend on how you drive. I run in the 3-3.5K RPM range on the highway a lot and still get above 30 mpg when running mostly highways. But with the 2.4L, it seems that this rating will be a good bit different, and obviously more significant with an FD change.

[m.box.design]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Giving your kids the ability to focus on their education and the opportunity to make good decisions is an enormous leg up over forcing them to bootstrap every aspect.

Really agree with what you said. People who are well off or at the very least, not struggling in this economy are the ones who come from generational wealth or have parents that made solid decisions along the way. There's nothing wrong with assisting children as long as you educate them on how the world works and the things they need to do in order to achieve financial stability.

There's a lot of YOLO in the car community, but we all have to make financially sound decisions for ourselves.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by m.box.design

Really agree with what you said. People who are well off or at the very least, not struggling in this economy are the ones who come from generational wealth or have parents that made solid decisions along the way. There's nothing wrong with assisting children as long as you educate them on how the world works and the things they need to do in order to achieve financial stability.

There's a lot of YOLO in the car community, but we all have to make financially sound decisions for ourselves.

I grew up with divorced parents in a trailer park in a poor suburb in Oklahoma.

I just got a raise and more stock options this year. It's all about learning a skill employers want and busting your ass to get there. I've moved and changed industries a few times within my specialty.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I grew up with divorced parents in a trailer park in a poor suburb in Oklahoma.

I just got a raise and more stock options this year. It's all about learning a skill employers want and busting your ass to get there. I've moved and changed industries a few times within my specialty.

Anecdotal information, your case does not invalidate the previously stated fact. It’s been well documented in almost countless studies around the world.

[m.box.design]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I grew up with divorced parents in a trailer park in a poor suburb in Oklahoma.

I just got a raise and more stock options this year. It's all about learning a skill employers want and busting your ass to get there. I've moved and changed industries a few times within my specialty.

That's a great achievement on your part to overcome your adversities. My parents immigrated here in the early 1980s as refugees. They busted their asses working minimum wage janitorial and production jobs to buy a house, raise kids, and put me though college eventually. I'm grateful for what my parents did because now I have the opportunity to build a solid foundation for my own children.

Not all wealthy kids become successful, same goes for all poor kids. But it definitely serves children better being raised in an environment where they understand and pursue opportunities that are available to them.

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by m.box.design

That's a great achievement on your part to overcome your adversities. My parents immigrated here in the early 1980s as refugees. They busted their asses working minimum wage janitorial and production jobs to buy a house, raise kids, and put me though college eventually. I'm grateful for what my parents did because now I have the opportunity to build a solid foundation for my own children.

Not all wealthy kids become successful, same goes for all poor kids. But it definitely serves children better being raised in an environment where they understand and pursue opportunities that are available to them.

Well said. I’ll add this.

Remember most studies show that happiness tails off and plateaus after you make about 75k a year. Too many people these days just want to make as much money as possible but unfortunately it does not always lead to happiness. Best thing for kids these days is to find something you enjoy doing, work hard and more importantly smart and continue to learn. And by enjoy I don’t mean your hobbies necessarily because work can ruin a hobby for you. More something that interests you.

I know that 75k number seems low for some (depends where you live as well), but I think too many people make more money and hate their jobs.
Sometimes more money means you buy more shit you don’t really need.

But back on topic. I think it’s simple. If you need a car the Gen 2 or Gen 1 will work out just fine. The essence is very similar and the Gen 2 is more refined and improved in stock form, particularly power.

[wbradley]

Here's a good reason. Now if you don't mind I've gotta dance.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Anecdotal information, your case does not invalidate the previously stated fact. It’s been well documented in almost countless studies around the world.

But my experience is the one true experience!

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Well said. I’ll add this.

Remember most studies show that happiness tails off and plateaus after you make about 75k a year. Too many people these days just want to make as much money as possible but unfortunately it does not always lead to happiness. Best thing for kids these days is to find something you enjoy doing, work hard and more importantly smart and continue to learn. And by enjoy I don’t mean your hobbies necessarily because work can ruin a hobby for you. More something that interests you.

I know that 75k number seems low for some (depends where you live as well), but I think too many people make more money and hate their jobs.
Sometimes more money means you buy more shit you don’t really need.

But back on topic. I think it’s simple. If you need a car the Gen 2 or Gen 1 will work out just fine. The essence is very similar and the Gen 2 is more refined and improved in stock form, particularly power.

75k a year lets you get a gen 2, so there's that. But it doesn't get you a condo with a stellar ocean view in a Maui resort.

[zc06_kisstherain]

NEW ones are always Better.
yeah i'm keeping my 1st gen. no reason to upgrade for little more ponies.

lol

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

But my experience is the one true experience!



75k a year lets you get a gen 2, so there's that. But it doesn't get you a condo with a stellar ocean view in a Maui resort.

But you can't drive a condo with a stellar ocean view in a Maui resort, so ha.

Therefore, being poorer than 75k a year is better.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Kona61

But you can't drive a condo with a stellar ocean view in a Maui resort, so ha.

Therefore, being poorer than 75k a year is better.

Why not both?