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Old 02-07-2022, 04:17 PM   #1
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2022 GR86 or keep my modified 13' frs

Test drove a 2022 GR86, was thinking about getting one to replace my 13' frs.

I wanted it to be at least on par with my modified 13' frs, and over time I can slowly improve it with mods. However came out of the test drive disappointed.

The car felt a lot slower than my frs. Felt slow to accelerate, suspension was sloppier, less feel etc. frs feel rigid and more confident to throw around(even though the new car supposed to be much more rigid). And engine sound on new car seems strained and artificial. I tested auto since they didn't have a manual one so can't say about shifter.

I don't have many mods on my 13' FRS:
- headers, E85, coilovers, control arms and toe arms, suspension bushings, pulley, light wheels, brake pads, catback.

Really like how the new car looks tho, like baby supra
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Old 02-07-2022, 04:48 PM   #2
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Well, you tested an auto so it's going to drive completely differently than a manual.

My 2103 FRS had pretty much all the mods you have except for E85 and catback and the 2022 BRZ is noticeably quicker and more responsive.
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Old 02-07-2022, 05:44 PM   #3
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Sounds like you should keep your 2013 FR-S.
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If you think 40-50 more whp is slower then the first Gen then your butt dyno needs a Brazilian butt lift and calibration.
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If you think 40-50 more whp is slower then the first Gen then your butt dyno needs a Brazilian butt lift and calibration.
Nope don't feel any of that 40-50 hp. It felt slower. Drove them back to back. That's more than 25% power increase, should be able to feel that easily if it were true. Should feel faster even considering mods on the FRS. Even in corners it wasn't as good
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Old 02-07-2022, 07:53 PM   #6
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Nope don't feel any of that 40-50 hp. It felt slower. Drove them back to back. That's more than 25% power increase, should be able to feel that easily if it were true. Should feel faster even considering mods on the FRS. Even in corners it wasn't as good
I would try a MT to compare, but in the end, even if the gen2 is faster, keep the one you have more fun.
And for fun, it’s up to you to decide between keeping the one that already have all the work done or the get a new car to develop.
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Old 02-07-2022, 08:27 PM   #7
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How did you find the steering feel on the 22? That was the biggest let down for me. Tempted to go for another test drive down the track to compare again.
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Old 02-07-2022, 08:31 PM   #8
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I don’t have any of experience with the old platform. However, I have a friend that owned a 86 TRD and swapped it for a new GR86 and said this car is so much better at power delivery and feel. I haven’t driven the auto so I dunno there, my GR86 feels absolutely amazing.
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How did you find the steering feel on the 22? That was the biggest let down for me. Tempted to go for another test drive down the track to compare again.

The steering feel is very close to the facelift 2018 I drove. I think most of the loss in steering feel is in the padding of the wheel itself. The 13-16 has much less padding in the wheel, so you feel more.
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If you were disappointed during the test drive but you are still wondering if you should get it, then it means you have other factors to consider besides how the car drove.
Maybe you just like the idea of having a new car and need some justification.
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If you were disappointed during the test drive but you are still wondering if you should get it, then it means you have other factors to consider besides how the car drove.
Maybe you just like the idea of having a new car and need some justification.
I was going to say something similar but it sounded like it was grunted from a caveman so I deleted it.
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Old 02-07-2022, 09:54 PM   #12
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Someone posted a track video on FB of a stock power 2022 BRZ vs. an E85 1st gen on the front straight of Buttonwillow. The 2022 BRZ is not able to pull away at all. So it doesn't surprise me that a 2nd gen (especially automatic) felt slower than your 1st gen on E85.

Same story with suspension. You've got significant changes to your 1st gen, including coilovers and various arms and bushings. I wouldn't expect a stock 2nd gen to feel anything but sloppier and less responsive than your car.

I own a similarly modded 1st gen (E85, coilovers, bushings, BBK, LWFW) and I realize I'm going to have to temper my expectations with my 2nd gen. It's probably not going to feel faster. It will definitely feel duller/less responsive. But just imagine how good it'll be after you finish moving your mods over and tune it on E85.
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I mentioned this in another thread but if your 13 has low kms and is in good condition then I’d hang onto it and get a later model 2nd gen in a few years’ time, once your first gen is really old. Plus there will likely be a facelifted gen 2 by then too.

My 13 BRZ has 33,000 kms on it, so it still feels new even though it’s nearly nine years old. I won’t be upgrading anytime soon and might even keep it and not upgrade.
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If you think 40-50 more whp is slower then the first Gen then your butt dyno needs a Brazilian butt lift and calibration.
Wait, the second gen is 50hp more than first?
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