shorter overhangs and lower hood - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

flyboy2160 · 02-28-2021, 11:29 PM

I much prefer short overhangs and low hood lines. I like the red concept car very much. It is cleaner than the FRS concept, with an S2000-like hood line.

Why didn't they produce that beautiful concept? Did they get caught out by some hood pedestrian crash standard? The sheet metal hood lands above the chassis look added on to me.

I mean, if you have such a low engine, shouldn't the car lines reflect that instead of looking like a normal engine installation?

Anyway, I'm going to modify mine when I get it later this year to shorter overhangs and a lower hood.

soundman98 · 02-28-2021, 11:33 PM

post your progress!

shiumai · 02-28-2021, 11:37 PM

Don't you just end up with a hard top Miata if you do that?

SUB-FT86 · 03-01-2021, 06:27 AM

I love both current and 2nd gen 86 silhouette.

Tcoat · 03-01-2021, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by flyboy2160

Did they get caught out by some hood pedestrian crash standard.

soundman98 · 03-01-2021, 09:45 AM

the amount of metal and plastic fab to re-do the front end has got to be about 5 years worth of spare time work.. it's going to be easier to just chop off the front just ahead of the firewall, and build a tube frame with custom sheet metal...

Sasquachulator · 03-01-2021, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!

THEY NEED TO MAKE THE CAR TO MY SPECIFICATIONS!!!

LimitedSlip · 03-01-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by flyboy2160

I much prefer short overhangs and low hood lines.

Buying one of these will save considerable time and money:

CBR600RR · 03-01-2021, 10:06 AM

I would love to see how OP intends to achieve this without ruining the car, or costing tens of thousands of dollars in sheet metal and bodywork. (I don't think OP understands what would be involved here)

HKz · 03-01-2021, 10:11 AM

The twins already have quite short overhangs...way too much work for a rather minimal change from the side view...and good luck making the bumpers look good after smooshing them in.

Top tier professional designers & engineers vs flybo2160...place your bets folks

This reminded me of a couple abominations I've come across on the interwebz like this one..

Sasquachulator · 03-01-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR600RR

I would love to see how OP intends to achieve this without ruining the car, or costing tens of thousands of dollars in sheet metal and bodywork. (I don't think OP understands what would be involved here)

He just needs to carefully push the car into a wall from both the front and the back.

Dont worry about the cracking and crunching sounds...those'll buff out hopfully when he's reached the desired overhang. And if the bumper falls apart, just 3d print new ones.

Its so easy, why havent the car designers thought of this???

Tcoat · 03-01-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR600RR

I would love to see how OP intends to achieve this without ruining the car, or costing tens of thousands of dollars in sheet metal and bodywork. (I don't think OP understands what would be involved here)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKz

The twins already have quite short overhangs...way too much work for a rather minimal change from the side view...and good luck making the bumpers look good after smooshing them in.

Top tier professional designers & engineers vs flybo2160...place your bets folks

This reminded me of a couple abominations I've come across on the interwebz like this one..

I kind of wantta see how this goes.

flyboy2160 · 03-01-2021, 10:48 AM

I'm planning on butchering extra front and rear plastic body panels. I'll reuse as many portions that attach to the car as possible to avoid, as much as possible, fit problems. The remaining areas will be fabricated using Rutan's layup over foam technique. I'll foam an oversize glob of foam in place, trim it to shape, then lay up fiberglass over the foam and remaining pieces of the stock parts. The excess foam is then removed. I have the composite fabrication skills to do this.

I'll probably do the same thing with an extra stock hood.

If the new car has structure similar to the existing one, it looks like there is open space to shorten the plastic front and rear bumper covers.

Dake · 03-01-2021, 01:07 PM

I'd argue that the twins have about the same overhangs as the S2000 already.

That being said, if you are able to actually integrate it as smoothly irl as in a quick photoshop, it could look pretty interesting.

02-28-2021, 11:29 PM	#1
flyboy2160 Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Drives: 2019 potential buyer brz Location: ca Posts: 18 Thanks: 11 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	shorter overhangs and lower hood I much prefer short overhangs and low hood lines. I like the red concept car very much. It is cleaner than the FRS concept, with an S2000-like hood line. Why didn't they produce that beautiful concept? Did they get caught out by some hood pedestrian crash standard? The sheet metal hood lands above the chassis look added on to me. I mean, if you have such a low engine, shouldn't the car lines reflect that instead of looking like a normal engine installation? Anyway, I'm going to modify mine when I get it later this year to shorter overhangs and a lower hood. Attached Images Last edited by flyboy2160; 03-01-2021 at 10:32 AM. Reason: grammar

02-28-2021, 11:33 PM	#2
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02-28-2021, 11:37 PM	#3
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03-01-2021, 09:45 AM	#6
soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the amount of metal and plastic fab to re-do the front end has got to be about 5 years worth of spare time work.. it's going to be easier to just chop off the front just ahead of the firewall, and build a tube frame with custom sheet metal... __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

03-01-2021, 10:48 AM	#13
flyboy2160 Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Drives: 2019 potential buyer brz Location: ca Posts: 18 Thanks: 11 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm planning on butchering extra front and rear plastic body panels. I'll reuse as many portions that attach to the car as possible to avoid, as much as possible, fit problems. The remaining areas will be fabricated using Rutan's layup over foam technique. I'll foam an oversize glob of foam in place, trim it to shape, then lay up fiberglass over the foam and remaining pieces of the stock parts. The excess foam is then removed. I have the composite fabrication skills to do this. I'll probably do the same thing with an extra stock hood. If the new car has structure similar to the existing one, it looks like there is open space to shorten the plastic front and rear bumper covers. Attached Images

03-01-2021, 06:27 AM	#4
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I love both current and 2nd gen 86 silhouette.

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CBR600RR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Raven Black Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 451 Thanked 563 Times in 276 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would love to see how OP intends to achieve this without ruining the car, or costing tens of thousands of dollars in sheet metal and bodywork. (I don't think OP understands what would be involved here)

03-01-2021, 10:11 AM	#10
HKz Reformed Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: '23 GRC, '11 Prius, '04 RAV4 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 1,234 Thanked 1,133 Times in 588 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The twins already have quite short overhangs...way too much work for a rather minimal change from the side view...and good luck making the bumpers look good after smooshing them in. Top tier professional designers & engineers vs flybo2160...place your bets folks This reminded me of a couple abominations I've come across on the interwebz like this one..

03-01-2021, 01:07 PM	#14
Dake Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: Houston Posts: 1,056 Thanks: 464 Thanked 819 Times in 414 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd argue that the twins have about the same overhangs as the S2000 already. That being said, if you are able to actually integrate it as smoothly irl as in a quick photoshop, it could look pretty interesting.

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