3rd-4th gear grind...but only near redline - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

hushypushy · 05-24-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 5AD86D

Let me help you guys here...There is a Toyota Bulletin on the issue currently and we have already done one of these at my dealership. Take it to your dealer. So you know whats to be expected...they will PROBABLY end up replacing your complete transmission. The issue is with the shifter which shakes and is causing damage to your transmission because of some bearings inside the shifter(i think thats what it said lol). This bulletin DOES apply to certain VIN numbers but you all sound like you apply. I'm not at work so I cant post the bulletin but you will be taken care of. You should be fine after.

I'm relieved to hear that. My car was built 7/12 so I would assume it qualifies. I'll talk to my buddy who's a Toyota tech.

If you can post the TSB, please do so.

SubieNate · 05-24-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwaziekeller

I've got this problem as well. Since day one. I've learned to take the 3-4 nice and slow and it doesn't grind. Really sucks at the dragstrip tho, especially in the 1k' because the 3-4 is just before the line with stock power levels, cant run out 3rd w/o bouncing the limiter and to shift slowly means you coast across.

There is absolutely no reason to put up with or live with this on a brand new car. Take it in.

5AD86D · 05-24-2013, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hushypushy

I'm relieved to hear that. My car was built 7/12 so I would assume it qualifies. I'll talk to my buddy who's a Toyota tech.

If you can post the TSB, please do so.

I posted the TSB with a new topic under the TSB/warranty section for ALL to see. Hope that helps.

hushypushy · 05-24-2013, 07:51 PM

I thought you said it was a new TSB regarding gear grinding? I see that you posted the rattly shifter TSB, which has been out for a while. My shifter has a tiny rattle, and my VIN is higher than what's specified in that TSB, so I don't think that one applies to me.

continuecrushing · 05-25-2013, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5AD86D

Let me help you guys here...There is a Toyota Bulletin on the issue currently and we have already done one of these at my dealership. Take it to your dealer. So you know whats to be expected...they will PROBABLY end up replacing your complete transmission. The issue is with the shifter which shakes and is causing damage to your transmission because of some bearings inside the shifter(i think thats what it said lol). This bulletin DOES apply to certain VIN numbers but you all sound like you apply. I'm not at work so I cant post the bulletin but you will be taken care of. You should be fine after.

More info on this? I found your post on tsb, but it was about the shifter, not the transmission

5AD86D · 05-26-2013, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hushypushy

I thought you said it was a new TSB regarding gear grinding? I see that you posted the rattly shifter TSB, which has been out for a while. My shifter has a tiny rattle, and my VIN is higher than what's specified in that TSB, so I don't think that one applies to me.

The job we did where the tranmission was replaced was a result of that shifter issue. The grinding in 3rd and 4th was a result of the shifter which damaged the transmission. I personally dealt with this tech who did the job. I'll try and get more details from him Tuesday when we re-open. I would still try and have the dealer look at it although the VIN does not show your number. Either way your still are under warranty for at least 36k miles so let em look at it. Worth a try right?

5AD86D · 05-26-2013, 12:22 PM

Oh yea...he mentioned that it would probably be more noticeable around redline and obviously progress to lesser rpm's over time. Thats why I'm thinking the shifter issue may have something to do with that. Again I'll ask him about it and get more details tuesday.

5AD86D · 05-28-2013, 04:54 PM

Ok I spoke with the tech about this again today and he stated that this particular customer's vehicle would grind while shifting between 4th and 5th gear at RPM's above 6k from what he remebered.(job was 3 months ago now) He said it did not matter whether it was downshifting or upshifting but at speeds above 50mph and higher RPM it was evident. He was pretty busy so I didn't get to ask about synchros(just to go in depth) or any other technical stuff but he said the shifter caused the problem.

86_FRS · 07-15-2013, 10:47 PM

Hate to bring it topic back up but I now started to have 4th gear grind (going from 3rd to 4th gear). But its only at high RPM. I don't beat on my car, I do like to do a little sprint driving but not beat the hell out of it. Has anyone found out if this can be fixed by the dealer?

gabeg86 · 07-16-2013, 02:33 AM

i have this problem and already took the car to toyota. i don't even beat on the car to get the 4th gear grind. it's in correlation to transmission speed, not engine speed. if i'm in 5th or 6th going 70 mph on the freeway and try to downshift to 4th, it grinds terribly and won't go into gear easily at all. i was told i have to wait till a special tech guy comes back into town to look at the problem, but was told i was getting a new transmission altogether

MadModder · 07-16-2013, 01:29 PM

Alright, so I'm about 98% sure I have this issue too. In third gear, at or above 6500 rpm, I get a grind when shifting up to fourth without letting the revs fall considerably. This is not something that happens here and there but EVERY time these conditions are met.

In dubai, I have taken the car to 2 dealerships to have this issue looked at. Both took the car put for a test drive and both came back and told me that they see what I am talking about and that it is NORMAL! How could this possibly be normal?

whtchocla7e · 07-16-2013, 01:56 PM

I have the grinding issue but with with the 2nd-3rd shift.

RPMS don't matter, shifting slow or fast doesn't matter. I can feel the teeth grinding. I can feel something pushing back.

This doesn't happen on a downshift into 3rd.. Taking mine in tomorrow to have it test-driven.

Gen · 07-16-2013, 02:02 PM

Mine grinds into 4th as well at high RPMs. Hesitant to try to take it to Toyota due to the turbo.

86_FRS · 07-31-2013, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gabeg86

i have this problem and already took the car to toyota. i don't even beat on the car to get the 4th gear grind. it's in correlation to transmission speed, not engine speed. if i'm in 5th or 6th going 70 mph on the freeway and try to downshift to 4th, it grinds terribly and won't go into gear easily at all. i was told i have to wait till a special tech guy comes back into town to look at the problem, but was told i was getting a new transmission altogether

Any word on the transmission?

07-16-2013, 02:33 AM	#24
gabeg86 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Raven FR-S Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 324 Thanks: 139 Thanked 81 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i have this problem and already took the car to toyota. i don't even beat on the car to get the 4th gear grind. it's in correlation to transmission speed, not engine speed. if i'm in 5th or 6th going 70 mph on the freeway and try to downshift to 4th, it grinds terribly and won't go into gear easily at all. i was told i have to wait till a special tech guy comes back into town to look at the problem, but was told i was getting a new transmission altogether __________________ Perrin (LWCP) - Blox (shift knob) - HID Powerhouse (LED's and HID's) - Eibach (sportlines) - Muteki (lugs) - SPL (LCA's) - Rays Engineering (57dr's) - Dunlop Direzza ZII (tires) - Greddy (Evo3) - Full Race (turbo kit) - Ecutek (tuned)

07-16-2013, 01:56 PM	#26
whtchocla7e Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Hot Lava Location: CT Posts: 424 Thanks: 30 Thanked 222 Times in 81 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have the grinding issue but with with the 2nd-3rd shift. RPMS don't matter, shifting slow or fast doesn't matter. I can feel the teeth grinding. I can feel something pushing back. This doesn't happen on a downshift into 3rd.. Taking mine in tomorrow to have it test-driven. __________________ Live to drive another day

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hushypushy ビーアールゼット Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: WRB BRZ '18 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 139 Thanks: 16 Thanked 86 Times in 46 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I thought you said it was a new TSB regarding gear grinding? I see that you posted the rattly shifter TSB, which has been out for a while. My shifter has a tiny rattle, and my VIN is higher than what's specified in that TSB, so I don't think that one applies to me.

07-15-2013, 10:47 PM	#23
86_FRS Junior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FRS Location: My Drive Way Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hate to bring it topic back up but I now started to have 4th gear grind (going from 3rd to 4th gear). But its only at high RPM. I don't beat on my car, I do like to do a little sprint driving but not beat the hell out of it. Has anyone found out if this can be fixed by the dealer?

07-16-2013, 01:29 PM	#25
MadModder Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 Location: Jackson, MS Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Alright, so I'm about 98% sure I have this issue too. In third gear, at or above 6500 rpm, I get a grind when shifting up to fourth without letting the revs fall considerably. This is not something that happens here and there but EVERY time these conditions are met. In dubai, I have taken the car to 2 dealerships to have this issue looked at. Both took the car put for a test drive and both came back and told me that they see what I am talking about and that it is NORMAL! How could this possibly be normal?

07-16-2013, 02:02 PM	#27
Gen Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S Location: Under a rock Posts: 1,060 Thanks: 75 Thanked 552 Times in 270 Posts Mentioned: 39 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Mine grinds into 4th as well at high RPMs. Hesitant to try to take it to Toyota due to the turbo.

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