I Bought an automatic brz and wanted to explain why.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nobody is calling anybody a caveman for liking MT better.

I drive like an asshat every chance I get.

For the record ever car I have owned for over 30 years has been a MT.

Such a caveman dont even know you're and asshat

Originally Posted by Tcoat

My point in these debates is the constant instance that MT is more fun as if shifting is the only aspect of driving. It isn’t.
If talking MT over AT in almost any other car I would sing a different song but the ATs in these are not your average Corolla and the car can be every bit as fun. Demeaning people that go AT with comments such as “don’t know how to drive” is not going to save the MT from extinction in the Western Hemisphere no matter how passionate a very small minority may be in the subject.

[HSUBLU]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Humfrz first language!

I mean, between humfrz, tcoat, and ultramaroon, the three of you have probably been around for all the languages.

[Lifer1988]

I bought the auto. Never driven a manual. I can learn and drive it manually like the rest of you manual drivers if I wanted to. Just never bother to learn manual and I like the auto with paddle shifters. It's definitely fun to use them sometimes.
Its my daily so I dont want to always have to keep my mind on the stick when I drive.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by 8RZ

I only buy manuals because that's the best anti-theft device out there.

There was literally a news story about this in my home town a few months ago. Two guys car jacked a car and only made it a few blocks before abandoning the car because they couldn't drive it. The guys were caught too.

Here, found it:
https://www.news4jax.com/news/crime/...ter-carjacking

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by 8RZ

I only buy manuals because that's the best anti-theft device out there.

Originally Posted by ermax

There was literally a news story about this in my home town a few months ago. Two guys car jacked a car and only made it a few blocks before abandoning the car because they couldn't drive it. The guys were caught too.

Here, found it:
https://www.news4jax.com/news/crime/...ter-carjacking

Story Time


Back in college I parked in the generally parking as we only had one assigned spot. I walked through some bushes to get to my building and I'm pretty sure my lanyard got caught without me realizing and my keys got left next to the car overnight. Next day I go outside thinking I maybe locked them in the car (not yet knowing what happened) and found my car unlocked and my backpack missing. My keys were on the front windshield. Looked more closely and the car was in 6th gear. Don't think they could figure out where reverse was even if they could drive stick lol. Saved my car that night.


Lesson: Don't keep your car keys on a lanyard.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Lifer1988

Its my daily so I dont want to always have to keep my mind on the stick when I drive.

You actually touch on another point. MT keeps people from totally zoning out while driving. I hear parents say they don't want their kids to drive a manual because it's too much to handle at once (often coming from parents that don't even know how to drive MT). True it is a bit overwhelming to take on all aspects of driving all at once and also throw a manual on top of that. But in the end I think it's safer for kids because it makes it harder to zone out or have both hands free to do makeup, text, ect ect.

My oldest kid is 16 so I have been teaching her to drive manual and it's been interesting. You forget how much is involved with driving (not just related to the manual) until you start teaching your kids. One of the things I love about driving is even after decades of doing it there is still something to learn or ways to improve. Especially if you are racing. I am enjoying passing these things down and look forward to taking her to some autoxes over the summer.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by finch1750

Story Time


Back in college I parked in the generally parking as we only had one assigned spot. I walked through some bushes to get to my building and I'm pretty sure my lanyard got caught without me realizing and my keys got left next to the car overnight. Next day I go outside thinking I maybe locked them in the car (not yet knowing what happened) and found my car unlocked and my backpack missing. My keys were on the front windshield. Looked more closely and the car was in 6th gear. Don't think they could figure out where reverse was even if they could drive stick lol. Saved my car that night.


Lesson: Don't keep your car keys on a lanyard.

Hahaha. Wow, great story. Very lucky.

[HSUBLU]

Originally Posted by ermax

You actually touch on another point. MT keeps people from totally zoning out while driving. I hear parents say they don't want their kids to drive a manual because it's too much to handle at once (often coming from parents that don't even know how to drive MT). True it is a bit overwhelming to take on all aspects of driving all at once and also throw a manual on top of that. But in the end I think it's safer for kids because it makes it harder to zone out or have both hands free to do makeup, text, ect ect.

My oldest kid is 16 so I have been teaching her to drive manual and it's been interesting. You forget how much is involved with driving (not just related to the manual) until you start teaching your kids. One of the things I love about driving is even after decades of doing it there is still something to learn or ways to improve. Especially if you are racing. I am enjoying passing these things down and look forward to taking her to some autoxes over the summer.

So I don't know if it helps your point but I totally don't think about shifting or the clutch pedal when I'm driving - it just becomes another one of those things I just do and not really think about, much like turning the steering wheel or flipping the turn signal stalk, the actions just happen and most of the time I'm not fully conscious of having made the decision because it just happened.

[DandoX]

To make anyone who got an auto feel better in the mornings when I'm super tired I don't always shift as cleanly as I would like. If I didn't have a MT then I wouldn't have to worry about teaching my wife to drive stick on the FRS if I for whatever reason was unable to drive it. If my car was an auto I would probably drive a little slower and not collect so many speeding tickets. MT life is great but it has its downsides also. So embrace your AT because it's totally fun also.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by ermax

You actually touch on another point. MT keeps people from totally zoning out while driving. I hear parents say they don't want their kids to drive a manual because it's too much to handle at once (often coming from parents that don't even know how to drive MT). True it is a bit overwhelming to take on all aspects of driving all at once and also throw a manual on top of that. But in the end I think it's safer for kids because it makes it harder to zone out or have both hands free to do makeup, text, ect ect.

My oldest kid is 16 so I have been teaching her to drive manual and it's been interesting. You forget how much is involved with driving (not just related to the manual) until you start teaching your kids. One of the things I love about driving is even after decades of doing it there is still something to learn or ways to improve. Especially if you are racing. I am enjoying passing these things down and look forward to taking her to some autoxes over the summer.

I do this thing called zombie shifting... I'm sure it's more of a personal problem, but damn near fell asleep in boring traffic while still shifting.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

How are you any better with your "AT better than MT" mindset? You are a pot calling the kettle black.

Enjoy your paddles friend-o.

In fact, I pointed out the biggest problem with AT versus MT... No launch control. Unless someone figures out how to setup a trans brake on this platform you're pretty much screwed launching...

Jaden

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Jaden

I didn't say it was better...

Originally Posted by Jaden

Ever since paddle shift autos have come on the scene there's really no reason to have a manual. A manual will never shift as quickly as an auto. The fastest cars are auto. That whole "well the stock auto is slower than the manual" thing doesn't really apply because if you aren't modding this car then there's really no point in caring which it is.

The auto trans can handle more power without modding or replacing it. How much does it cost to upgrade the clutch?

It seems that the people who argue about mt superiority are really just afraid that they'll disappear...lol There's a good reason for that. They are inferior, they are inferior in a straight line and they are inferior in other driving as well.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

In that regard they are inferior. Are you claiming that a manual 6 speed is better than a dual clutch auto?*caveat emptor, this is not a mindset, this is a fact. In every measurable respect, modern PERFORMANCE autos ARE better than sticks.

The specific reference is the 86 AT vs MT. In which case, the AT has a major downfall in its inability to launch; however, In anything but a dig, I'll bet on an AT with the same amount of WHP.

With two similarly skilled drivers.

Jaden

p.s. In the past its been arguable that sticks were better at least in time attack and autox and the like. This was because they had more gears and it was easier to control revs and what not. With modern 6,7 and 8 speed autos with paddle shifters, this is no longer the case.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Jaden

In that regard they are inferior. Are you claiming that a manual 6 speed is better than a dual clutch auto?*caveat emptor, this is not a mindset, this is a fact. In every measurable respect, modern PERFORMANCE autos ARE better than sticks.

The specific reference is the 86 AT vs MT. In which case, the AT has a major downfall in its inability to launch; however, In anything but a dig, I'll bet on an AT with the same amount of WHP.

With two similarly skilled drivers.

Jaden

Now you are just moving goal posts. Bringing up dual clutch autos, only including PERFORMANCE auto transmissions with your statement, and ignoring that fact that a automatic 86 can't launch.

I've never claimed that one transmission is better than another. My original comment was just pointing out that you were claiming that automatics are better than manuals. Obviously you arent trying to deny that right?