Impressions on 2022 BRZ vs. my 2018 BRZ

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Definitely get a Prius.

Wonder if they make Prius performance parts?

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Wonder if they make Prius performance parts?

Lightweight parts to increase mpg. Gut it, drill holes everywhere, carbon fiber everywhere that’s not structural. High pressure low roll resistant tires, lightweight aero to reduce drag. That’s a good start.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Lightweight parts to increase mpg. Gut it, drill holes everywhere, carbon fiber everywhere that’s not structural. High pressure low roll resistant tires, lightweight aero to reduce drag. That’s a good start.

And if you guys are so hard core what are you doing with something with a passenger seat? Sell it. Buy a beater and a shifter kart or a Formula Ford.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Lightweight parts to increase mpg. Gut it, drill holes everywhere, carbon fiber everywhere that’s not structural. High pressure low roll resistant tires, lightweight aero to reduce drag. That’s a good start.

Can't do a lot of that stuff and stay street class. Looks like for lapping the battery is only good for a lap then it is pure ICE power, or "power."

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by PBR

And if you guys are so hard core what are you doing with something with a passenger seat? Sell it. Buy a beater and a shifter kart or a Formula Ford.

My car is a beater

[PBR]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

My car is a beater

Hahahahaha. Touche lmao.

[foshjowler]

Originally Posted by PBR

And if you guys are so hard core what are you doing with something with a passenger seat? Sell it. Buy a beater and a shifter kart or a Formula Ford.

I have a shitbox Miata just for such stupidity. With the roll bar, the passenger seat is basically a death bar now because their head hits it. I've considered taking it out to save a life. I have a Sparco seat so I'm fine. Would also make taking stuff for trackdays easier.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by PBR

And if you guys are so hard core what are you doing with something with a passenger seat? Sell it. Buy a beater and a shifter kart or a Formula Ford.

Honestly that's something that crossed my mind quite a bit. My main issue with that is that you'd need to tow that to the track and can't really drive on the street (meaning twisties, not daily driving).

An Ariel Atom is probably the the best compromise in this regard, with a Caterham 7 being a close second and a Lotus Elise a more distant third with some kit options thrown in the mix (Exocet, Goblin, 818, etc.); but I don't really relish the thought of driving 2 hours (or more) on the highway in one to get to the track or some twisties, and going through rural roads would increase the driving time to get to business even more. Finally, I find it hard for now to justify having a car that will sit the vast majority of time and require planning to use. My BRZ is my daily, taking the kids to school and activities, as well as the fun street and track/autocross car.

[PBR]

[QUOTE=Ohio Enthusiast;3521518]Honestly that's something that crossed my mind quite a bit. My main issue with that is that you'd need to tow that to the track and can't really drive on the street (meaning twisties, not daily driving



I raced shifter karts and Rotax. My Birel 125 would go 0 to 100 and back to 0 in about the same time a BRZ will get to 60 mph. 3 g's in cornering. There's nothing like it. Nothing. Problem, as usual, is time, distance and money. Same with any dedicated racecar. My point is that by refinement, I didn't mean less "raw." I'll rephrase. Better fit and finish with better build quality. I've also owned 2 Elises and prefer the twins. They're more playful. Better built and useable. And even a well set up MX5 NC will be quicker around an Auto X course than an Elise. Not everyone chose these cars because they're affordable. I would've paid $50K for one. Nothing on the market like them. Lot of car guy cars. Very few driver's cars �� And this one of they best yet made imo.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by PBR

My point is that by refinement, I didn't mean less "raw." I'll rephrase. Better fit and finish with better build quality

This reminds me of progression of daily-bility of cars - Porsche guys laugh at dailying a Lotus. Lotus guys laugh at dailying a Caterham. Caterham guys laugh at dailying a motorcycle. Motorcycle guys laugh at dailying a bicycle. Bicycle guys, well, I never cared for bicycles so I have no idea what they consider impossible to daily

I agree that the Twins strike an awesome balance of livability and driver engagement, and are indeed more fun to drive than significantly more expensive and powerful cars. The fact that we have a second generation is really a cause to celebrate, even if some do prefer the first gen.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

This reminds me of progression of daily-bility of cars - Porsche guys laugh at dailying a Lotus. Lotus guys laugh at dailying a Caterham. Caterham guys laugh at dailying a motorcycle. Motorcycle guys laugh at dailying a bicycle. Bicycle guys, well, I never cared for bicycles so I have no idea what they consider impossible to daily

I agree that the Twins strike an awesome balance of livability and driver engagement, and are indeed more fun to drive than significantly more expensive and powerful cars. The fact that we have a second generation is really a cause to celebrate, even if some do prefer the first gen.

Agreed. If I didn't have responsibilities, an unlimited budget or need for any space? BAC Mono as a daily driver. I'd gladly be that douche with an awesome helmet and gloves LOL

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

The problem with these threads is the OP was expressing his opinion based on the car he owns vs. a test drive and just like the joyful ride thread it turns very quickly to a shit show. Not so long ago the threads were centered around buying or waiting and now that it's here it's a d**k swinging contest. Only two of you have owned both, two veterans being as neutral as possible, and the rest joined the forum no more than 6 months ago and your opinions are totally one sided.

If I can make a suggestion... it's a beautiful day. Go outside. Go for a drive. Have fun.

I'm going in the pool and then the hot tub. South Florida driving sucks.

[DarkSunrise]

Posted this in my build thread but it also reminded me of this one.
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Having driven my 2nd gen for 500 miles, I thought I'd post some thoughts on how it differs from my 2013 FR-S which is now back to stock. Putting aside the power bump, a lot of the changes for the 2nd gen (higher quality interior, lighter steering, less notchy gearshift, softer damped suspension, softer cushioned seats, less thrashy engine sound) seem designed to make the 2nd gen more refined and premium. It's like the 1st gen was built to feel like an old-school Japanese sports car (think S2000 or Miata), whereas the 2nd gen is trying to crib off Porsche. The added low-end torque only adds to the sensation of refinement. Driving around town, this 2nd gen gives me a similar vibe to my old 987.2 Boxster S or mk6 GTI. I'm honestly impressed that Subaru/Toyota were able to add this level of refinement and power to the 2nd gen with minimal weight gain (57 lbs over my 2013 FR-S). These changes significantly increase the versatility/bandwidth of the 2nd gen with minimal downsides. It's a lot more enjoyable driving around town at a relaxed pace and I find myself driving just to relax and check out nice views. The 2nd gen does a good job playing the role of a GT car in a way that my FR-S never could.

That said, I see why 1st gen owners feel the 2nd gen has lost some character. I think it has as well. A lot of the 2nd gen changes follow the evolution of modern sports cars (refinement, insulation, torque). The 1st gen offers more of a unique driving experience given that it's 10 years old now and even when new tried to impart the feel of a bygone era in Japanese cars (fun but torqueless tincans).

Anyway both platforms are great and I wish I could keep them both.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Porsche guys laugh at dailying a Lotus. Lotus guys laugh at dailying a Caterham. Caterham guys laugh at dailying a motorcycle. Motorcycle guys laugh at dailying a bicycle. Bicycle guys, well, I never cared for bicycles so I have no idea what they consider impossible to daily

Unicycles.