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BRZ Second-Gen (2022+) -- General Topics General topics for the second-gen BRZ


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Old 05-12-2021, 04:09 PM   #1961
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I think I'll be OK with these improvements.



Outstanding Response and Road Feel

The chassis and body of the BRZ have been reengineered for lighter weight, an even lower center of gravity, 50% increased torsional rigidity, and 60% increased front lateral rigidity. Combined with its quick 13.5:1 steering ratio, the 2022 BRZ gives drivers a smooth, direct feel for the road and a near-instantaneous response to it.






I'm with you, but I don't like the steering ratio change. There was nothing wrong with the old steering.
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Old 05-12-2021, 04:57 PM   #1962
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New body, chassis, and motor, not to mention a dozen other things. That's just a refresh? Where would you draw the line between generations, then?

You make a fair point, it is a new generation and more than a cosmetic refresh like in 2017, or ND1 to ND2 Miata, and more like the C5 to C6 Corvette, although I think that was a pretty decent size departure. But we'll just be splitting hairs at that point, so I'll yield.
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Old 05-12-2021, 05:01 PM   #1963
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I'm with you, but I don't like the steering ratio change. There was nothing wrong with the old steering.
Gen1 was 13.1:1

Will the change to 13.5:1 really be noticeable?
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Old 05-12-2021, 05:14 PM   #1964
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Gen1 was 13.1:1

Will the change to 13.5:1 really be noticeable?

It's not the end of the world obviously, but I don't understand why a change was made at all.
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Old 05-12-2021, 06:35 PM   #1965
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Gen1 was 13.1:1

Will the change to 13.5:1 really be noticeable?
The marketing team lessened their description of the steering, I don't see them doing that unless it made a difference. Granted, I still expect it to be solid and better then a variety of other cars.
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Old 05-13-2021, 02:07 AM   #1966
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Okay okay, let's not try to assume we are literally talking Lean in CONTEXT with the argument of Sale Goals for Automotive Companies.

If you want to talk Lean, you have to include Analytics to justify the loss in Headcount and Operational Overhead for the reduction in Labor Cost. Every company that manufactures, especially in High Labor regions like the U.S. and Europe, have to cost-evaluate the necessary expenditure for running Lean with the justification for an optimal Run-in Rate for Production. If you think Six Sigma is the only method towards Lean Manufacturing, that is only a Tool to help achieve Lean Manufacturing with high efficacy methods to resolve problems. Just like AGILE and Kaizen, these are just solutions a company can employ for Problem Solving and Resolution for Permanent Corrective Action to save the Company and Customer money for Production.

If you want to talk Lean for affected sales, talk about how prevalent Turnover affects Run-in rate Capability in any industry. If you want to talk about Industry 4.0 for the future of automation and reducing headcount, then you have to account for Robot GRR and Capability to discuss efficient models of operation with current equipment. No one likes to spend money on more equipment that will not be compatible with pre-existing or retrofitted equipment, coupled with depreciation. That's why carmakers keep running the same designs and features as long as they can before updating tooling/processes for the next generation.

Yes, you do have a lot of Excels, Minitab Projects, 5Why's, etc. that pool into extreme amounts of documentation that will possibly never see the light of day for optimization into a cohesive Cloud/PDM but Companies are trying. That still doesn't mean a company like Toyota will negate the means for improving Overall Equipment Effectiveness (OEE) to yield better results in terms of Quality, Run-in Rate, or a combination of both for getting more Cars out to consumers based on projected sales/heijunka. There are methods to the madness and thus how companies survive after year after year, not just on sheer guesses.
Lean manufacturing is what helps Toyota keep cost down, which in return means they can take that savings and reinvestment it back into the company or pass that along to their stakeholders. The money reinvestment is used for automation, r&d, etc.

However, having lean manufacturing doesn't mean that Toyota is great at reading the market and creating sales goals. That is my whole point. Most of u guys are putting Toyota on a pedestal and think they are god when it comes to creating sales goals. Truth is, most of these guys just pull a number out of their butts (mainly with "guidance" from the sales team) and make it work. Like some members said before, ppl here says the twins are a success because they hit their sales goals, but I'd have to wonder if that goal even made sense from the start.

Btw, kaizen is a general term for continuous improvement... It is not a tool for lean manufacturing... Six sigma and agile are tho, so I'll give u that
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It's not the end of the world obviously, but I don't understand why a change was made at all.
They probably got feedback that steering is nervous at highway speeds. 13:1 to 13.5:1 is not a big change, you probably wouldn't notice it if you weren't aware of it. S2000 went from 13.9:1 in AP1 to 14.9:1 in AP2, even that wasn't the end of the world either. They did use the 13.9 rack in the CR though...

I'm a huge fan of quick steering, which is one reason I didn't keep my FD RX-7 or my 987.2 Cayman. I'm not at all worried about this change, it's not a big deal.
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Old 05-13-2021, 02:40 PM   #1969
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Some people have run into issues with the EPS shutting down. Maybe the switch to 13.5 is an effort to reduce the load on the EPS.
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Old 05-14-2021, 11:56 AM   #1971
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Here I do agree with you....
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