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Old 06-05-2021, 09:54 AM   #155
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I was enthusiastic about the Gen2 before the US spec reveal. That Duck tail/bill just might be a deal breaker. Initially, I was taken aback, then tried to convince myself it wasn't so bad if matched with a particular color. Then the more I looked at it, the more it offended me. I'm still going to reserve final judgement until an in person viewing.
I can tell just from the photos that the duck tail is an absolute deal breaker for me. If I want the car, it would mean either buying the BRZ version, or finding a friendly dealer willing to swap trunk lids with a base car.

Duck tail = not gonna be in my driveway
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Old 06-05-2021, 10:04 AM   #156
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@ :30 the trunk lid.... please tell me this is a pre-production model and the orange peel won't be so pronounced.
Remember the Toyota 860 and how they didn't paint the entire car?



I'd wager anything is possible when it comes to paint and the 86/BRZ.
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I can tell just from the photos that the duck tail is an absolute deal breaker for me. If I want the car, it would mean either buying the BRZ version, or finding a friendly dealer willing to swap trunk lids with a base car.

Duck tail = not gonna be in my driveway
We haven't seen the US spec BRZ yet, it's possible it will get the same duck tail. I think if the black bar between the taillights wasn't there, the ducktail wouldn't look quite as out of place
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Ah, young whippersnapper... my school is probably older than yours. I came of age lusting after the truly classic car designs of the 1950's and 1960's. Smooth, sensuous, curvaceous flowing shapes that were truly works of art and beauty on their own merits, without any added frippery like 'duck tails'. These designs predated the Porsche 'whale tails' by decades.

Check out these true beauties on wheels. Something like the Alfa Romeo Sprint Speciale, or Jaguar XKE Coupe, would have its looks utterly destroyed by a duck tail. They don't need such nonsense. They're gorgeous without them. The BRZ is no Sprint Speciale, but it's still a very attractive car, and IMHO, much better without any spoiler, duck tail or wing.

To each his own. But I think the classics never go out of style.
Well 'old timer', I guess cars were that slow back then that putting downforce on the rear never occurred to them!

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The exaggerated duck bill transforms the look into something a lot stronger.

Thats not going to fly with everyone. Particularly those looking for a more subtle refined looks.

There is a fair bit more 'look at me' with it.

I ADORE IT. I cannot wait, and just pray that the AU version gets the same, because I did not see that one the Japanese model.
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Opinions are definitely more mixed than I thought! I quite like the duckbill, especially in white! I think white really works well with the vents and the darker Premium wheels, and with the shape in general.

I'm still reserving judgment for when I get to see the car in person, though! But overall, I'm happy thus far. Can't wait to get this thing on UEL+E85+Tune
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Lol about those flipping out over the rear spoiler...

Don't worry, the base model doesn't have it.



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I'm not above shopping for a used engine once a few get creamed. I'd put my original engine on the shelf next to my original transmission.
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"The manual transmission now uses low-viscosity oil and strut bearings that enhance clutch capacity and gear strength. These materials support the higher torque output of the 2.4L boxer engine. The essence of GR 86-ness is also captured through a redesigned, low catch manual gear box that delivers smooth, enjoyable control for manual transmission aficionados."
Guess I'll be ditching my beater transmission too. It has served me well thus far.
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Opinions are definitely more mixed than I thought! I quite like the duckbill, especially in white! I think white really works well with the vents and the darker Premium wheels, and with the shape in general.
I'm still reserving judgment for when I get to see the car in person, though! But overall, I'm happy thus far. Can't wait to get this thing on UEL+E85+Tune
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The actual compression ratio is 12.5:1
Moto-san has some insight from his history with the development of the 86 and if we do see 12.5:1 A/F, then it will definitely replicate the success people have had with the FA20 to getting more Mid-range Torque (new Peak on the FA24) and Top-end Power.

I am very pleased with the Powertrain improvements and Aesthetically, the car appeals to a more dynamic design. I agree the First-gen in the Kouki design that it became more unique from other Sports Cars, but I like seeing Aero improvements. My co-workers love the car in Red so I'm now debating if I stick with my original intention for WRB. Fall can't come any sooner as long as Production keeps progressing well!
Good news on the OEM market is that Part Sourcing is getting nearly back to typical rates. Less expedites and more demand for labor.
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Old 06-05-2021, 03:38 PM   #164
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That and exhaust noise regulations get more and more restrictive. Thereís no way to make a sporty exhaust pass regs anymore, thatís why everyone now pushes sound through speakers.

Aftermarket catbacks are the easy solution here.
That what the Left does. If your going catless header, install that, before dropping coin on exhaust. With a tune, there's little gain, and stupid noise, with the header cat gone. I sold my nameless axleback, after the header 7 tune, as it was just too loud. The stock system actually sounds good this way.
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So there's only 3 actual colors -- red, blue, and another blue. The rest are non-colors. Black, white, two shades of gray. Yawn. It's a sports car guys, try something exciting!


Dislike the add-on duck bill. Need a spoiler-delete option.


Anyone know what the wheel specs are, i.e. bolt pattern and offset? Just wondering if gen 1 wheels will fit.
I doubt the lug pattern changed. That usually goes with bigger hubs/brakes, and the brakes are the same, as far as I know. When the GR is released into the wild, we'll need a "parts that swap" thread...I'm grasping at straws, but it would be awesome if I decided to trade up to a GR, that my header would bolt up.
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We haven't seen the US spec BRZ yet, it's possible it will get the same duck tail. I think if the black bar between the taillights wasn't there, the ducktail wouldn't look quite as out of place

The US spec BRZ debuted last November..
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The duck bill keeps that component resembling the Supra which is a more expensive car, so probably a good thing. They'll probably reserve the OEM cf offerings for Supra-only during vehicle life.
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That what the Left does. If your going catless header, install that, before dropping coin on exhaust. With a tune, there's little gain, and stupid noise, with the header cat gone. I sold my nameless axleback, after the header 7 tune, as it was just too loud. The stock system actually sounds good this way.
Way to get political with an obnoxiously simple non-take. But I guess that's what the right does.
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