Potential Cause of rumored GR86’s blown engine? Seal packing(RTV) was peeled off

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport

Had a few heat cycles and no issues yet...

Have you tested this in conjunction with any baffle? Can they coexist? One of the concerns i have is if the material with break down with time/heat cycles.

[KillerBMotorsport]

Originally Posted by Petah78

Have you tested this in conjunction with any baffle? Can they coexist? One of the concerns i have is if the material with break down with time/heat cycles.

No baffle fit testing has been done, but most of the plate style baffles are at the top, and this is not. I don't see how it could interfere.

Will this material break down? No. It's the same family of plastic as what the OEM oil pickup is made from

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Petah78

One of the concerns i have is if the material with break down with time/heat cycles.

Assuming it is nylon, no worries there. You would basically have to burn it with a torch or hit it with something to get it to fail. Just don't do those two things and you will be fine.

[arjunkc]

Originally Posted by Angrypuppy

Not trying to be cryptic. I assume Subaru reads this board. So waiting on resolution before I type out entire story.

ECU data came back clean, no over revs.
12 track days and one autocross day since I’ve owned it.
Subaru dealer drained oil and found metal then pulled the pan and found RTV.

It looks like this story will be resolving in the next few days.

Any news on the warranty?

[Ansix Auto]

Here's a little preview of what we're working on. We'll have some pans ready in a couple weeks. We've modified stock pans with a low profile bung to allow for cleaning of the pickup during oil changes. As you can see, it's accessible just by dropping the oil change cover. The pan is gold because it's coated in Cerakote Glacier, a ceramic coating that provides a thermal barrier. Included in the package is the baffle and a tool which will make clearing out the pickup a 1 minute job. More details to come soon.

[Pat]

Well that's interesting. Looking forward to hearing users' experience with it.
What is the benefit of the oil pan having a thermal barrier?

[DocWalt]

Not a huge fan of that baffle, but otherwise cool

[Ansix Auto]

@Pat The idea behind the having the thermal barrier is to limit the heat transfer from the header to the oil pan to the oil via convection and radiation.

[justinco]

Second inspection of my oil pickup is done. 3400 miles on the oil (7200 on the engine), including 3 time trial track days, 3 autocross events, and a couple canyon runs. Only found a handful of tiny bits of RTV. I really had to look hard and poke around with the tool to find them (you can see one bit in the upper right, other bits were in upper left corner).

Last photo was my first inspection where I pulled out a lot more RTV chunks (at 3800 miles).

[Ansix Auto]

Our kit is now available in limited quantities at first. Please have a look at our classified thread.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...55#post3556955

[Rustyoid]

anyone have an up to date count on how many engine failures?

[HowlerMonkey]

This is what happens when toyota dealerships use the wrong guy.

Sure, he turns big hours and then someone else has to fix his come-backs.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by HowlerMonkey

This is what happens when toyota dealerships use the wrong guy.

Sure, he turns big hours and then someone else has to fix his come-backs.

This thread is pretty much all new factory assembled engines. Not dealer fixes.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Toyota and Subaru have been pretty clear that they will cover warranty only for their sanctioned events NOT general track/race use. If anybody thinks they bought a race car with a warranty they are going to be in for a shock when they try to make a claim and the data shows usage beyond the design specs.
The days of being able to push a car to it's design limits and if something breaks just going in and saying "I don't know it just broke" are long gone. As we have seen several times the tech now allows the dealer the know exactly how the car was driven right up to the point of failure.
Something like your baffle and pickup are a great way to mitigate some of the risk of tracking the car. When the big picture comes into play it is likely a better way to go when you know you will be pushing the limits than trying to rely on warranty to cover any failures.
The whole thing is a classic case of you can't have your cake and eat it too!

They also say aggressive driving isnt covered as well (or something along those lines).

While there may well be some relevance to the track driving the would stand up in court (though its debatable even then IMO and worth a challenge), for just driving it hard I do wonder if they have a leg to stand on when they are the ones that set the rev limit and control the load via the ECU. So long as you don't do a money shift (and have OEM spec parts and fluids) I cannot see how driving the car hard every day of the year (and sticking to a increased service schedule as per the manual) would be grounds for dismissing a warranty.