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Not a hope in hell that they will change out whole engines just because there was some sealant in the pickup.
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IMO they've pretty well killed the car for me and I'm a HUGE fan of the car. It makes me really sad.
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They may have minor concerns over their image but again the target audience for these cars is so small it won't worry them much. We pay attention to the media shit storm but 99.999% of the public just don't give a rat's ass and will never see a word about it. Now if it was Corollas or Camrys blowing up then...
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How effective it is as a warning to the driver may be debatable but it is certainly there… Picture below from the '22 BRZ Owners Manual This isn’t how the warranty works….replacing things that may have an issue makes no financial sense. The warranty is designed and budgeted to replace things that have had an issue as a result of defective materials or workmanship.
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The bigger concern is their current stance on the issue. If they continue to deny warranty repairs due to "racing" and "abuse" then if this does get bad you will have a hard time selling the car to anybody that is actually following it!
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Not every engine that has RTV in the pickup has failed, but every engine that's failed has had RTV in the pickup.
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I'm aware how a warranty works. They're going to end up replacing engines eventually anyway since damage is likely to already be done... It won't be during my ownership though. I'm not going to have that risk of being 1000 miles from home and the engine blowing up. and the low oil pressure light triggers at super low oil pressure, it's a "your engine is fucked mate" light
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I wouldn’t call a simple true/false check that oil pressure is greater than zero to be “monitoring oil pressure”. There is no oil pressure sensor and numeric values are not logged with the freeze frame data when a DTC occurs. There is a switch that engages only when the car has no oil pressure at all, which is effectively just a light that informs you your engine is now a very large paperweight.
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So which is cause and which is affect? Does it just take RTV? Does it take RTV and XXX? Is the RTV a red herring and we are focusing on the totally wrong thing? Can it happen on a track only even with no RTV? There just simply is not enough data to say anything is "right" at this point no matter how many assumptions are being thrown around. My career of 30 years has been built around correcting unexpected problems and I have not once been able to actually fix a thing based upon assumptions. The situation get's even worse when there are people such as yourself (not a slam in any way) that are also emotionally involved and really, REALLY want something or somebody to focus on.
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I trust Subaru/Toyota designed it properly to not starve and die on track. The first gen was generally "fine" with the usage most second gens have seen. A few people have had them blow up just street driving. From an engineering point of view, the RTV in the pickup is a *massive* red flag, it wasn't designed to deal with that restriction to flow. There's safety margin built in, especially since the 2nd gen pickup tube is so much better than the first gen's, but it can't handle one side of the box (and 1/4 of each other side) being blocked. As I said above, they didn't fail on the engineering aspect, they sure did fail on the assembly. Do I trust Subaru to make it right? Yes. Clearly we can't trust Toyota though...
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It wasn't designed as a "need", it was designed as a precaution.
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I agree, I love this car (love the Gen1 car as well but Gen2 just completes the package with the added power) but this really takes away from the ownership experience. There is really nothing on the market quite like it so no direct replacement even if i sold it (another reason for me to send it harder in the next 5 years).
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I did acknowledge that they changed the pickup for the better. They didn't design it for a full blockage of one side of the pickup. When the RTV piles up it blocks parts of the other sides of the box too. One small chunk of RTV won't matter at least.
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I know Subaru (& Toyota) will make it right if a defect exists. But determining the cause comes first. I have a ton of first hand knowledge of how Subaru's, and warranties, work...and just because someone is screaming online about how they were wronged by a warranty denial...the manufacturer usually has the facts and data to support their decision. If the dealer made a mistake, the manufacturer will correct it.
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