Honestly how is the manual gearbox in comparison to the other options?

[Whodunit]

No better people to ask than people who drive it daily. (or close to)

Looking for your opinion on how the manual gearbox feels compared to the other great boxes out there. In smoothness, any notchy stuff ever, performance in high revs, you get that point.... I'm in the market and this is important to me.

Better/worse?

Thanks everyone.

[spicyricecake]

The only other manual ive driven are the Ford fiesta and 14 wrx hatch.

The wrx gear box was utter shit. Long throws, notchy, ugh.
I love our gear box when it's warmed up.

[Veloist]

I can talk on and on about how much I love how the shifts feel and how distinct the gearbox feels.

It's not a smooth gearbox which is a good thing.

Every shift has feedback. Feedback is the key word. When you put it into gear you are rewarded with a clunk that represents the rawness and precision of the shifter. I shift at 3000 RPM on my commutes and it's fantastic.

In higher revs at about 5000 RPM+ you get less feedback but in return you get buttery smooth shifts. It's smoothness is progressive relative to the engine speed. This is what makes daily driving the manual so much fun. The clicking into gear at low speeds/RPM is so rewarding and satisfying, and the confidence you have knowing the shift lever has clicked in gear makes you as the driver so much more involved which in turn makes it so much fun.

Don't get me wrong, I have driven the new WRX and the new STI as well as the MK7 Golf GTI and a few commuter cars like the Scion iM and Mazda3.

The WRX has a lazy-feeling shifter and I'm disappointed with the long throws and uninspiring spacing. The WRX STI is essentially the same but feels more springy and smoother operation when transitioning into a gear but it doesn't have the "click" that I'm used to in the BRZ. The GTI would be my definition of a smooth gearbox and while it is still a lot of fun to drive, there is less connection felt to the car because of how smooth it is. I felt the same way about the Mazda3 which felt too smooth too me and not enough feedback and the Scion iM was just a terrible detached feeling.

The BRZ's shift feel has set the bar for me as the most enjoyable manual car to shift with. I haven't driven cars like the S2000 (which I hear is supposedly a better feeling stick shift) but the notchy clicking gears truly contributes to the BRZ's character as an enjoyable driver's car.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by spicyricecake

The only other manual ive driven are the Ford fiesta and 14 wrx hatch.

The wrx gear box was utter shit. Long throws, notchy, ugh.
I love our gear box when it's warmed up.

I agree and I don't like the gearbox on the wrx.

This is cliche to some but the s2000 is close to the benchmark of what they should be, so I'm wondering how the twins compare to something like that. As objective as possible. No hate for the twins intended at all fellas. Doing some research for buying this spring.

[jawn]

It's not as smooth as a VAG product, but it's more precise. It can be a little notchy when cold. You'll know when your transmission fluid is up to temp.

[Gaiakai]

IMO it's not at the level of the NSX or S2000, but it's better than my Cayman's sport shifter. My previous BRZ's shifter felt like flipping a light switch - quick, short, precise - compared to the Cayman's where it feels like you're dragging a stick through mud - although the throws are short, it's not as smooth. S2000's shifter is still the best I've ever driven though.

From my experience with the BRZ, 2nd gear doesn't like to be rushed. Also it may just be my technique (or lack thereof) but when I was driving, the shifts were only smooth at 3k RPM or higher. It's notchy going into first when cold, and it felt MILES better after changing out the fluid.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by Gaiakai

IMO it's not at the level of the NSX or S2000, but it's better than my Cayman's sport shifter. My previous BRZ's shifter felt like flipping a light switch - quick, short, precise - compared to the Cayman's where it feels like you're dragging a stick through mud - although the throws are short, it's not as smooth. S2000's shifter is still the best I've ever driven though.

From my experience with the BRZ, 2nd gear doesn't like to be rushed. Also it may just be my technique (or lack thereof) but when I was driving, the shifts were only smooth at 3k RPM or higher. It's notchy going into first when cold, and it felt MILES better after changing out the fluid.

Thanks for your insight.

What fluid did you go with?

[Gaiakai]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Thanks for your insight.

What fluid did you go with?

I actually just went with OEM, since I wasn't planning on any track days immediately after the fluid flush. Still made quite a noticeable difference.

[rookie]

My RSX is buttery smooth and my 2nd gear grind isn't as bad as others. I prefer the RSX's smooth shifts while the BRZ's short throws in stock form is superior.

I've not changed out my transmission fluid in the BRZ and I expect it to smooth out some after I do this. A weighted shift knob will also help with the feel.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

No better people to ask than people who drive it daily. (or close to)

Looking for your opinion on how the manual gearbox feels compared to the other great boxes out there. In smoothness, any notchy stuff ever, performance in high revs, you get that point.... I'm in the market and this is important to me.

Better/worse?

Thanks everyone.

Very subjective. I know a lot of people that love a cable driven FWD manual, and I think they're on crack. They'll use terms like "smooth" where I'll use "vague" and "squishy." Proper transmission is a bit notchy and lets you know what's going on.


I like the shifter a lot. It's somewhere between a Miata and my old '89 Turbo Supra (as is most of the car).


But as I said, it's subjective and up to personal preference.

[gtslow]

BMW and Honda make better feeling manual gearboxes but this one isn't bad.

[carma143]

I can't compare to other manual cars, but hearing the transmission make contact with the engine in a quiet place with the windows down is literally orgasmic.

[krayzie]

Cable driven 6 speed manual in a Porsche 996 vs direct linkage 6 speed manual in a BRZ is like comparing a CH Flightstick to a Thrustmaster.

I'm running Eneos Gear Oil and it's been trouble free for ~15000km and much smoother than stock Toyota gear oil especially for first and second gear. Gonna change the fluid again later this week.

Also running the STI short shifter with STI performance clutch disc and cover. My friend that drives a stock AP1 S2000 says my setup is very very close to his shifter in terms of feel.

[Gear_One_Performance]

I've driven Pretty much every Subaru manual including the new 15 wrx cable's, Nissan and ford "direct shift" boxes, couple of water and air cooled Porsches and I love the Subaru box. It has fantastic feel without being so notchy that you feel like you're hurting things when you shift hard.