Why aren't you vaccinated yet? [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i wonder if we can force irace to eat meat that way...

@Irace86.2.0 DOESN'T EAT MEAT!? -

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86

I put those types of people who constantly bitch and moan to everyone about wearing masks and getting vaccinated in the same category that I set aside for Jehovah's Witnesses who come to my door trying to hand me pamphlets and telling me that if I don't accept the Lord as my savior that I will burn in hell for eternity.
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I don't...not at all. I have found every Jehovah's Witness to be polite and kind in demeanor, whether you agree with their message or welcome their visit or not. I can't say even close to the same thing about wbradley's approach.

[Lantanafrs2]

Beware the crusader.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

I don't...not at all. I have found every Jehovah's Witness to be polite and kind in demeanor, whether you agree with their message or welcome their visit or not. I can't say even close to the same thing about wbradley's approach.

I have to agree. I side on with the get vaxxed/wear a mask for the greater good. blah blah. But wbradley's approach has actually irked me and turned me off. I've run into a fair bit of extremes on both sides and I hate both equally.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Sooo...peer pressure is a good reason to do things. Got it. I must remember to teach my children that lesson. Also, if someone is pissed at you and calls you "part of the problem," that means they are smarter than you are, and you should always listen to them and obey them. Got it.

I have no words.

If your peers are doctors and health professionals, and you refuse to succumb to their widely popular opinion then you either 1) know better or 2) have issues with people knowing better based on their credentials and the overwhelming agreement by physicians and front line care givers, that it is a priority to stop infections and re-infection. Fortunately we are 33% lower than peak levels here but also just extended lockdown another 2 weeks. It's not a quarantine. But it does suck.

Maybe you don't find all the deaths and hospitalizations alarming but most people I know will gladly roll up their sleeve if it can help.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by wbradley

So, more rural states are less vaccinated as are poorer and less educated ones.

There's a huge surprise...not.

It's more complicated than that. Vaccines were prioritized base on the number of reported cases. Rural areas, for the most part, had fewer reported cases per capita and did not receive vaccines early on, say compared to NYC or LA.

Even within states that applied. Most of the early supplies of vaccines went to Atlanta metro, Savannah Metro areas. Even just outside the Atlanta metro by 20 miles, it was almost a month after first deliveries that we had enough here just to cover first responders, never mind the general population.

So, I'm not surprised at these statistics.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by wbradley

If your peers are doctors and health professionals, and you refuse to succumb to their widely popular opinion then you either 1) know better or 2) have issues with people knowing better based on their credentials and the overwhelming agreement by physicians and front line care givers, that it is a priority to stop infections and re-infection. Fortunately we are 33% lower than peak levels here but also just extended lockdown another 2 weeks. It's not a quarantine. But it does suck.

The bolded is literally what happens all the time. Patient's wont listen half the time or do so half-heartedly. Hell client's of mine don't listen to me sometimes no matter how much I say "I told you so." That's usually from clients who think they know more than me.

Case and point: I have my Masters of Science in Exercise Physiology, multiple accredited certifications in strength and conditioning, ect ect. I get a client who used to be a personal trainer back in the early 90s and is a physical therapist now. Gives the usual spill about how she knows this and that. Cool I can respect that. But when she insists on doing things that are contraindicated of her conditions or downright silly, I know something's up. I call her out on it, and I get the "You're so smart, but I like this exercise." Refuses to listen, but with patience and figuring out how to convince her, she eventually drops them. Took several weeks because she's stubborn, but worked. Eventually.

Point is, you gotta be patient with anyone no matter their intelligence. Demeaning them or being aggressive turns humans away by nature. The exception being brutal change that's palpable to everyone (this COVID is not that).

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by wbradley

If your peers are doctors and health professionals, and you refuse to succumb to their widely popular opinion then you either 1) know better or 2) have issues with people knowing better based on their credentials and the overwhelming agreement by physicians and front line care givers, that it is a priority to stop infections and re-infection. Fortunately we are 33% lower than peak levels here but also just extended lockdown another 2 weeks. It's not a quarantine. But it does suck.

Maybe you don't find all the deaths and hospitalizations alarming but most people I know will gladly roll up their sleeve if it can help.

Our GM here at work is not getting the vax. He helps coach his sons baseball team, the main coach's GF works at a respiratory clinic here in Salem. She said very few of them, including doctors, got the vaccine and are not going to. So what does that mean then? I am not smarter or more qualified then his source to suggest what he should do.

[wbradley]

Weederr I think what you are describing is a professional arrogance, "Yeah I know from courses I took 10 years ago", or just previously misinformed but sensitive in that you don't want to belittle them in any way that you recommend and your peers follow a contrary line of thought. However, these are related professional opinions.

I don't know of any doctors or front line healthcare workers here that are unvaccinated or of any widely disseminated movement of physicians advising against broadly vaccinating all those that can be without significantly high risk.

I do what my federal, provincial and municipal government are asking to curb the infections.

Most people are so aghast at the statistics that it is just a matter of getting the thumbs up from doctors to go ahead.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Weederr I think what you are describing is a professional arrogance, "Yeah I know from courses I took 10 years ago", or just previously misinformed but sensitive in that you don't want to belittle them in any way that you recommend and your peers follow a contrary line of thought. However, these are related professional opinions.

What I do is still a professional opinion/recommendation/prescription. Point is, people will ignore what others say even if it's coming form a qualified person.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Our GM here at work is not getting the vax. He helps coach his sons baseball team, the main coach's GF works at a respiratory clinic here in Salem. She said very few of them, including doctors, got the vaccine and are not going to. So what does that mean then? I am not smarter or more qualified then his source to suggest what he should do.

Not sure I'd make a medical decision based on third or fourth hand knowledge that could very well be skewed by the person's own individual beliefs or biases.

If you are advising you friend to get the shot based on real evidence, I would say you are definitely smarter or more qualified than at least the end of his chain of evidence.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not sure I'd make a medical decision based on third or fourth hand knowledge that could very well be skewed by the person's own individual beliefs or biases.

If you are advising you friend to get the shot based on real evidence, I would say you are definitely smarter or more qualified than at least the end of his chain of evidence.

Right, but he is going around and telling people this and using a respiratory clinic as his source. Who knows how many people she has told.

I decided long time ago I am getting the vax, I just don't go around telling people why they should or shouldn't unless I hear them say something that is wildly untrue. I will correct that, with ancillary opinions I just move along with my life.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I decided long time ago I am getting the vax, I just don't go around telling people why they should or shouldn't unless I hear them say something that is wildly untrue. I will correct that, with ancillary opinions I just move along with my life.

Yea, I'm pretty much the same. If you want to have a debate with me, I'm happy to do that, but it's an individual decision, as are most things.

As I tell folks, just don't ask me for my opinion if you don't really want it, because it's the one thing I'm a true expert on and I will give it to you. Whether you agree or not is up to you, because you have the right to be wrong.

[Lantanafrs2]

Kinda like forgiving someone for the money you owe them