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Look, I'm not gonna get engaged with this shit on a car forum. It's not worth my time. Life isn't a zero sum game I just want to buy a car, part of my reason for picking this car is the price. Having to go to 10 different dealerships to figure out which one isn't going to try and screw me over is a pretty fucking shitty experience. For most people on this forum sales reps aren't adding to the buying experience, they only detract. Also they ALL have shit in their contracts that let them pull the rug on you. So putting this all on the buyer is bullshit. |
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This, luckily they were willing to swap it out for a 8 year/84k km extended warranty. I am picking it up Thursday.
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You can't be this obtuse.
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Although you do make one good argument, namely that in this day and age, maybe dealerships shouldn't exist at all. At the very least, there should be direct buying options for those that don't want to pay for dealership "services" related to the car buying experience (you could say the same thing about real estate agents). I totally agree. And some manufacturers are moving that direction - its just taking longer than it should. But while the dealerships exist and must be used (or are an option), the way to "beat" the dealership pricing model is to use the one that provides you with the service you want at the price you want. |
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Nobody is putting things on the buyer but they do have a part in it. As long as there are people that will pay the markup/unrequested add ons/extra fees instead of walking away the dealers will continue to do it. The high demand for the cars makes this even worse since the crappy dealers know that SOMEBODY will go for whatever they throw out there. Any dealer that found themselves without sales because of shady dealings will eventually get with the program or go out of business. The sad part is that the dealership (and therefore the salesman) make very little on the actual car or the add ons. For a salesman to lose a sale for the $50 they make on that $1500 Bright and Clear Super Duper Special Ultra Shine package really should hurt. My wife has been in the business for decades and has never once forced a person to take an add on they didn't want. She offers and many do indeed want these things but she would not risk a sale just to arbitrarily add it.
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Pretty safe to say that they won't. Do people think they will all of sudden get cars for wholesale prices because there is no dealership involved? Nope again.
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Of course, people also need to realize there is a trade off as there are certainly services good dealers provide that most customers don't realize they are getting - basically operating as a go-between between the customers and manufacturers. |
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I wasn't even referencing your statement. For the record between my wife and I we have bought 14 new cars over the last 25 years and have never once had to fight with a dealer to get the deal we wanted. If you have to fight with every dealer to get what you want maybe, just maybe, it isn't them that is the issue!
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Got my 2023 Limited MT today.
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Love all the white knighting for greedy stealerships and their sleazy salespeople who will lie, deflect, and engage in pathetic psychological games (Upto game, Four square, etc.) to try to get you to pay more...
Sales people generally add nothing positive (except a higher OTD cost) to any of the experiences I've had buying cars. I always know more about the car and its features, I always walk in pre-qualified with excellent credit if I'm not paying all cash, and having to wait while the salespeople "talk" with their manager/sales manager/gm every time we are trying to reach a fair deal is a waste of time. This is why I only now deal with sales managers/internet sales over email (IN WRITING) so the dealership employees can't make-up random excuses for why the price is suddenly higher, that they made a mistake with the numbers, etc. |
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