Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by olorin

I have the dual setup, no oil yet-- driven about 1000 mi since I installed them in march.

Is it true that you catch less on the crankcase side of things? I'm going to have to check the level after 3000 miles and report back.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by blown

what would cause a fried piston ring?

Granny shifting and not double clutching like you should.

[Xero-Limit]

FYI--Here's a brief synopsis of what is the current state of things as we're still getting several inquires a day. We have recently become a dealer for Sprintex USA so we can continue to support the kit as Innovate is no longer the sole distributor in the US.

Sprintex USA is now distributing the kits. The pricing has been adjusted (up) a bit for IC systems. Current SC kits are 3195 non intercooled, 4695 with the laminova IC. IC upgrade kits are 1700 MSRP. This is much more realistic given the cost of the laminova core and heat exchanger. Old IC upgrade kits could never keep in stock and this I think reflects the true cost of things compared to before.

335 kits: SOON! Don't say we didn't warn you, it makes tons of power and 14 psi is about the minimum you will see. That 14 psi will be at the low end of the blower's output, so it will be a cool, dense charge. Sprintex recommends built motors only, but we will test out one of these kits on our car until she pops. I think with e85 we can probably still use the big pulley on this blower and limit power via tune until we're ready for the forged stuff.

210+...don't hold your breath. Official word will come from Sprintex when it is released, but if you're holding off purchase for one, you're going to be disappointed. When it is ready it will offer a measurable gain over the standard 210, but it won't be ground breaking.

Otherwise it will actually be quite nice to have Sprintex keep an office here in the US. This means that spare parts, replacement blowers, and whatever else might be needed will be a much quicker repair if needed.

[blown]

pulled the blower off. aside from the huge amounts of oil, I didn't find anything unusual.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

FYI--Here's a brief synopsis of what is the current state of things as we're still getting several inquires a day. We have recently become a dealer for Sprintex USA so we can continue to support the kit as Innovate is no longer the sole distributor in the US.

Sprintex USA is now distributing the kits. The pricing has been adjusted (up) a bit for IC systems. Current SC kits are 3195 non intercooled, 4695 with the laminova IC. IC upgrade kits are 1700 MSRP. This is much more realistic given the cost of the laminova core and heat exchanger. Old IC upgrade kits could never keep in stock and this I think reflects the true cost of things compared to before.

335 kits: SOON! Don't say we didn't warn you, it makes tons of power and 14 psi is about the minimum you will see. That 14 psi will be at the low end of the blower's output, so it will be a cool, dense charge. Sprintex recommends built motors only, but we will test out one of these kits on our car until she pops. I think with e85 we can probably still use the big pulley on this blower and limit power via tune until we're ready for the forged stuff.

210+...don't hold your breath. Official word will come from Sprintex when it is released, but if you're holding off purchase for one, you're going to be disappointed. When it is ready it will offer a measurable gain over the standard 210, but it won't be ground breaking.

Otherwise it will actually be quite nice to have Sprintex keep an office here in the US. This means that spare parts, replacement blowers, and whatever else might be needed will be a much quicker repair if needed.

Aren't there turbo kits out there making 350-400 rwhp on stock internals? How is this different? I realize it's pushing things but people are doing it with success I think- not sure how this is different (maybe torque output)?


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[Calum]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Aren't there turbo kits out there making 350-400 rwhp on stock internals? How is this different? I realize it's pushing things but people are doing it with success I think- not sure how this is different (maybe torque output)?


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The power used to turn a super charger comes from the crank shaft, that power could otherwise be used for accelerating the car. The power to turn a turbo comes from the exhaust which would mostly be wasted out of the tail pipe anyway, so that doesn't decrease the engines power output. Of course the net gain from a superchager is still positive. But when comparing two indentical engines being fed the same volume of air one from a SC the other from a TC, the TCed car will have more power going to the drivetrain.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by Calum

The power used to turn a super charger comes from the crank shaft, that power could otherwise be used for accelerating the car. The power to turn a turbo comes from the exhaust which would mostly be wasted out of the tail pipe anyway, so that doesn't decrease the engines power output. Of course the net gain from a superchager is still positive. But when comparing two indentical engines being fed the same volume of air one from a SC the other from a TC, the TCed car will have more power going to the drivetrain.

Ah ok - so in other words, a 400 rwhp twin screw SC may actually require maybe 8-10% more power generated by the engine to produce that number, which might put it over the 'threshold'. That makes some sense - thanks!

Any early predictions on numbers we'll see from the 335?

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Calum

The power used to turn a super charger comes from the crank shaft, that power could otherwise be used for accelerating the car. The power to turn a turbo comes from the exhaust which would mostly be wasted out of the tail pipe anyway, so that doesn't decrease the engines power output. Of course the net gain from a superchager is still positive. But when comparing two indentical engines being fed the same volume of air one from a SC the other from a TC, the TCed car will have more power going to the drivetrain.

This is misleading. The way @Calum words this makes it sound like Turbos do not have parasitic loss. Which is incorrect. Turbos restrict exhaust flow, which is a parastic loss. The parastic loss is just generated differently.

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

This is misleading. The way @Calum words this makes it sound like Turbos do not have parasitic loss. Which is incorrect. Turbos restrict exhaust flow, which is a parastic loss. The parastic loss is just generated differently.

Maybe but I can see what he's saying - to produce x hp at the wheels, a supercharged motor has to internally produce more power than a turbo motor (because of the added parasitic loss of the SC, which is probably quite a few HP at high rpm). Turbo backpressure/heat can obviously impact VE, tune, etc but when talking about stress on rods & pistons I can see where he's coming from (of course assuming no detonation or other tune/fuel related issues).

[choi0706]

anyone consider rerouting the throttle body coolant lines?

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Aren't there turbo kits out there making 350-400 rwhp on stock internals?

Not reliably

Inb4 it's the tune that caused the motor to fail

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by blown

was it the pistons?

I did a leakdown test that didn't appear to fail. but the smoke is only really bad at WOT..

My first failure looked very simular to yours, we found plugs had burnt and lots of oil in the manifold even down the intake as far as the airbox. We cleaned out did compression test all was ok, replaced plugs, started up ran fine.
About 100km cruising engine blew.
2 Pistons where finished hole and melted.
Don't mess around pull the motor and replace parts before you do more damage, could save yourself good couple of $$ if you have not damage the bore.

[CK_Bladesmith]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

My first failure looked very simular to yours, we found plugs had burnt and lots of oil in the manifold even down the intake as far as the airbox. We cleaned out did compression test all was ok, replaced plugs, started up ran fine.

About 100km cruising engine blew.

2 Pistons where finished hole and melted.

Don't mess around pull the motor and replace parts before you do more damage, could save yourself good couple of $$ if you have not damage the bore.

What do you think caused this failure?

[blown]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

My first failure looked very simular to yours, we found plugs had burnt and lots of oil in the manifold even down the intake as far as the airbox. We cleaned out did compression test all was ok, replaced plugs, started up ran fine.
About 100km cruising engine blew.
2 Pistons where finished hole and melted.
Don't mess around pull the motor and replace parts before you do more damage, could save yourself good couple of $$ if you have not damage the bore.

yeah, pulling the motor out tonight.

first failure? there was another failure?