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03-26-2020, 03:58 PM | #15 |
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Thanks for the info. What is the wheels/tires setup?
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Cayman: factory 18x8, 18x9 wheels with 225/40-18 front and either 255/40-18 or 245/40-18 rear Yokohama A052
BRZ PP: WedsSport TC105N 17x9 +35 with 245/40-17 RE71R (have also run 225/45-17 RE71R on factory wheels, and 235/40-17 NT01 on 949Racing 17x9 +40) |
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Thanks, we have conversed before but do you think the cayman is faster than your s2000?
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I never ran the S2000 on tires as sticky as the A052s I ran on the Cayman. I would guess that with similar mods and on similar tires it might be close but I'd put my money on the Cayman. 2.9 Cayman has a bit of a power/weight advantage, but with a broader powerband. It's also more driftable vs. AP1 S2000. I.e. you can drive it on the limit and not lose as much time when you occasionally go over...
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I instruct with the local Porsche Club (amongst others) and have plenty of time riding shotgun as well as a few laps at moderate pace behind the wheel of various Boxsters and Cayman. The Boxster/Cayman are the closest in driving feel to my BRZ (but obviously with more power and built to a higher price point). The biggest difference is that the mid-engine layout allows the Porsches to spin very quickly after they've passed the point of no return (they are more likely to spin but when they go they spin fast).
The non-S versions of the Porsches don't have enough extra power to really make them a big enough upgrade over an 86 to make it worthwhile to upgrade. The S versions are like a supercharged 86 and are very quick (a full class above the twins in the speed category). An S2000 is going to slot in just between the 86 and non-S Porsche (right on par with the first gen Boxsters it was contemporaneous with). The biggest drawback to the S2k's is that they've gone up in price and are only getting older. 100k mile examples in my area go for about $15k, which is the same price for a non-S Porsche that'll have about the same miles and be 5-10 years newer. I'm doing over 30 trackdays a year in my BRZ with costs down below $150/day in consumables (including gas). An S2k would be close, but at nearly 20 years old all sorts of parts are bound to start failing. For a Porsche, you want to get a 987.2 "S" for the reliability, resale, and performance sweet spots. The initial purchase price is a bit steep but they're holding value well and relatively good on maintenance and consumables (for what I do, as long as nothing major breaks it'd be an extra $50/day to run one over my BRZ, or still almost $50/day cheaper than a Mustang GT and about $100/day cheaper than a C6/C7 Corvette). The BRZ has enough space to fold the seats down and fit a set of tires and tools, which is nice and really helps out if you're going out of town. I'm only an hour away from both the tracks that I do nearly all my days at, so changing wheels and tires ahead of time wouldn't be too terrible but one more thing to consider. I've always been a fan of the Cayman S, and that'll probably be my next car if the next gen 86 isn't great. The problem I've got is that I love my BRZ and have so much fun driving it at the track that it's hard to justify replacing it. |
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I don't think there is much weight difference. A 718 Cayman with manual transmission weights 2944 lbs. and the closer spec'd BRZ tS '20 (big brakes, 18" wheels) weights 2833 lbs. So, the real difference is 111 lbs and there is a performance difference close to the 981S you drove. Porsche managed to add more power in every new model introduction and to keep weight the same or a bit lower, which is not that easy nowadays.
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The twins have been gaining some weight over the years. Factory numbers are: 2014 BRZ Limited - 2776 lbs 2020 BRZ Limited - 2798 lbs 2020 BRZ tS - 2833 lbs |
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There's a bit of a weight difference, but again, to me the BRZ *feels* a bit lighter than it's ~2800 lb., while Cayman *felt* a bit heavier than its ~3050 lb.
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Weighed the car on the official SCCA weigh-in scales for a ProSolo a couple of years ago, I had about half a tank of gas. |
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Do you recall the laptime ran at palmer with the base cayman? Counter or clockwise? |
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event https://www.comscc.org/events/result...?id=2019-08-11 TT'd 1:51.41 with the BRZ in June https://www.comscc.org/events/result...?id=2019-06-02 Last edited by ZDan; 03-27-2020 at 11:32 PM. |
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