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04-02-2013, 12:56 PM | #15 |
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1st off.....body roll isn't neccesarily a bad thing.....it transfers grip from one tire to the other... jumping up to super stiff roll bars is NOT a good idea or a 1st step in developing a proper suspension for a track-race car.
Roll bars should be used to fine tune the handling characteristics of a vehicle to the drivers preference.... Our cars are quite loose (oversteer) out of the box...which is what most race drivers like... Remember a sway bar is essentially and undamped spring.....which never is a good idea |
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To the OP... as you said, driving instruction will do more for you than reducing body roll. A good alignment at least with some camber bolts up front is a cheap mod in the meantime that you should probably do to get even wear on your tires and maximize the grip you have. Think about your budget and level of commitment and your options will start to become a little more clear. - Andrew |
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Interesting thread. So this one reason why I am hesistant to use stickier tires, and plan to stay with stock tires for now. With the increased grip and body roll, you will probably have uneven tire wear (outer edges worn prematurely). Have anyone noticed this? If so, to counter this, you could increase camber, but you can't get much camber from the stock suspension. Only -1.4 with camber bolts. This means having to move up to a coilover system with camber plates to address the uneven tire wear found with grippy tires
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nah I cant support that last sentiment at all
rather, youre really cuttin yourself short with that crappy oe rubber even bone stock really the dunlops star specs are wonderful on a bone stock car. I literally asked my wife to drive them and see if she liked them, refused to give them back to me. take that as what its worth from a wifey. GET RID OF PRiUS tires NOW (Thank me later) |
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Don't me wrong, I get the value of grippy tires. I'm running NT01s on my spyder and it's a blast to drive. There's also plenty of value in running stock tires at the track in a car like the BRZ. Especially if you want to learn car control at reasonable speeds.
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I ran all stock except brake pads, air filter and lines at streets of willow CW on the 31st for the first time and got 1:34.522, 2:16.XXX at Button willow CW13, and Chuckwalla CW 2:17. I dont consider myself a good driver by any means and just started tracking January of this year and honestly these tires are awesome to learn on. You learn to control the car when it breaks loose. It is much harder to learn that at higher speeds with the grip better tires have. Plus sliding around is really fun |
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I've got 245/40 ZIIs on a 17x8 rpf1 and a Strano front bar and I -love- how the car feels on the street. It still slides if I want it to, but just has incredible stick. I've only got the tires on to scrub them for 3 days (they are just for auto-x) but I will be putting stickier rubber on for the summer on the OEM wheels.
I've got a couple middle of nowhere, visibility for miles loops I run out by my parents house in the country and I didn't feel like I was getting excessive sway. The Strano front sway bar really tightened up the front end and steering response too. I haven't gotten it on a track yet (Blackhawk in May) but I really like how it feels right now.
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Those were "intentional" slides, when I said fun to slide around :P theyre much easier to slide than say rs3 but yes I agree upgrading tires = go faster. What I am trying to say is, if someone runs stock 2:20 at button willow, they can run 2:15 at least with rs3, but thats upgrading the car and not the driver someone who can drive can run 2:15 with stock tires at button willow so the stocks "arent" as bad as people think they are so imo more people should rock them a bit longer then upgrade to rs3. It is much scarier and harder to control a car that breaks loose on rs3 than prius tires. Just too many people improving their car to go faster rather than themselves. just saying
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when I finally make it out to buttonwillow and those other great tracks in cali, I want y'all to show me the lines!
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