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Old 11-20-2019, 07:31 PM   #29
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This is a strategy to match the competition. While Subaru dropped the Forester XT, Ford has the Edge ST now, and Mazda offers a CX5 Signature with more power than many luxury cars in that class. It is also part of their plan to rebrand hybrids/electrics as performance models like Tesla has done—instead of something that is geared just for eco-minded hippies for boring econoboxes.
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This is a strategy to match the competition. While Subaru dropped the Forester XT, Ford has the Edge ST now, and Mazda offers a CX5 Signature with more power than many luxury cars in that class. It is also part of their plan to rebrand hybrids/electrics as performance models like Tesla has done—instead of something that is geared just for eco-minded hippies for boring econoboxes.

With Prime, I think they've redefined the CUV segment that Toyota owns being on schedule to sell 435,000 RAV4's this year. In some areas of the US there are long wait lists for the standard RAV4 Hybrid. This one will be a home run.

Good to see Toyota finally exploit LiOn tech and juiced motors for performance instead of just economy and weight savings though it scores there, too.

Given that the same platform is shared with Camry and Avalon, I wouldn't be surprised if the Prime drivetrain is offered in at least Camry, doubtful about Avalon since it gets the axe soon.

It's a good effort that makes me hopeful future Toyota PHEV's will offer more than bragging rights at Whole Foods.
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I like seeing acceleration being touted by manufacturers, especially Toyota. I would like it even more if the emphasis would somehow spread to the 86 platform.
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I like seeing acceleration being touted by manufacturers, especially Toyota. I would like it even more if the emphasis would somehow spread to the 86 platform.

True, and yesterday I'd never have guessed that a hybrid RAV would become their 2nd fastest 0-60 car next to Supra.
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True, and yesterday I'd never have guessed that a hybrid RAV would become their 2nd fastest 0-60 car next to Supra.
Me too. Basically the 86 is a designed driving experience. Space mountain rollercoaster feels fast but actually only goes like 28 mph. Same kinda thing
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So let's have this powertrain in the next 86, and call it 0-60 in 4.8 seconds (with plenty of reserve power.) A newly inverted torque dip addresses that issue, and even lower COG (due to the batteries being in the floor in a similar chassis.) Pipe, yes, but hey, the car was brought up in our forums so why not?
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So let's have this powertrain in the next 86, and call it 0-60 in 4.8 seconds (with plenty of reserve power.) A newly inverted torque dip addresses that issue, and even lower COG (due to the batteries being in the floor in a similar chassis.) Pipe, yes, but hey, the car was brought up in our forums so why not?
It's a pipe until it comes with CVT with paddleshift only haha..
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So let's have this powertrain in the next 86, and call it 0-60 in 4.8 seconds (with plenty of reserve power.) A newly inverted torque dip addresses that issue, and even lower COG (due to the batteries being in the floor in a similar chassis.) Pipe, yes, but hey, the car was brought up in our forums so why not?

We just might see more performance electrified models from the Prime brand.

This RAV4 PHEV is showing the modular engineering benefits of the TMNA platforms. If they can do it here, they can do similar treatments on the Corolla and Yaris hybrid platforms, spawning something none of us are expecting.

OK, this RAV is a CUV and few around here care, but Toyota's swerve into performance hybrids is exciting. My wife will be trading her Camry hybrid in for one of these and if the net initial cost after $10K credits plus lifetime net energy savings calculations are close, it'll be a buy and hold car made possible by cheap electricity rates in hydro power PNW.

Plus once she gets into her new RAV Prime, it'll become easier to justify a Supra that by then will be deeply discounted and most likely cost less than the RAV.
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This drivetrain or the GR Yaris drivetrain in the Corolla Hatchback body would be sweet.
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This drivetrain or the GR Yaris drivetrain in the Corolla Hatchback body would be sweet.
Just bring back the Celica in the form of 86 GT4
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Well, seems Toyota woke up a touch. Hopefully its not the shit drivetrains of the Prius, but I bet it is.

I love the (on battery) power delivery in our Volt. It's enough with the generator going. It never drives on the gas engine though, unlike the Prius.

Still don't want one of these though.
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2021 302-horsepower RAV4 Prime Reveal

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Well, seems Toyota woke up a touch. Hopefully its not the shit drivetrains of the Prius, but I bet it is.

I love the (on battery) power delivery in our Volt. It's enough with the generator going. It never drives on the gas engine though, unlike the Prius.

Still don't want one of these though.


The Prius Prime is like 140hp. I’m going to say that no, this won’t be anything like the Prius drivetrain. The standard Rav4 hybrid has a pretty great drivetrain as far as power delivery.

And the Volt does drive the wheels with the engine in certain situations.



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So let's have this powertrain in the next 86, and call it 0-60 in 4.8 seconds (with plenty of reserve power.) A newly inverted torque dip addresses that issue, and even lower COG (due to the batteries being in the floor in a similar chassis.) Pipe, yes, but hey, the car was brought up in our forums so why not?
Cost mainly. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get s second generation 86 or at least one that would interest me. Too much change going on in the industry for that imo. Technology is making light weight, low powered sports cars unnecessary
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Well, seems Toyota woke up a touch. Hopefully its not the shit drivetrains of the Prius, but I bet it is.

I love the (on battery) power delivery in our Volt. It's enough with the generator going. It never drives on the gas engine though, unlike the Prius.

Still don't want one of these though.
Here's a more descriptive review of new RAV4 Prime tech. A few things jump out: a new LiOn battery and controller, dual motor generators, and the ICE tuned for more torque at lower rpm.

Somewhere I read that the CVT is new with concentric planetary gears or something like that, I really didn't understand except that it will be smaller, lighter and more reliable than the last gen.

Progress, no doubt, but can't help but think it's an interim step before solid state batteries and full EV's arrive in the Toyota 50-state lineup.

https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2021-rav4_prime/
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