2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

If you guys are comparing a Camaro to a Supra, it's a bit moot. They look VASTLY different. I personally think the Camaro looks like a turd and the Supra looks wonderful. There will be an equal number of people thinking the exact opposite. I would probably prefer the Supra interior cause I really dislike the old school gauge cluster on the Camaro. Everything is just big and bulky and American. The only selling point over the Supra is the option of a manual gearbox. Both have crap visibility. I highly doubt there are too many people cross-shopping the two. The demographic groups the two cars cater to are completely different, have different likes and brand loyalties, american muscle vs JDM. The Camaro never even crosses my mind, and I don't care how good it apparently is, I would just never buy it. I don't like the looks, I don't like the interior, I don't like the idea of driving a Chevrolet. With the Supra, I don't like that it's auto. If I won it in a raffle, I'd keep it. I like it but I wouldn't pay money to own one.

It's really not a moot point. I only know one person that has purchased a new Supra. And his previous car was a Camaro. An SS 1LE, which he unfortunately crashed. If he wasn't interested in the Zupra then he probably would have gotten another Camaro.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

It's really not a moot point. I only know one person that has purchased a new Supra. And his previous car was a Camaro. An SS 1LE, which he unfortunately crashed. If he wasn't interested in the Zupra then he probably would have gotten another Camaro.

I'm sure there are outliers, but I think - in North America at least - the automotive industry is a very bi-partisan affair.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

The only car that has gotten smaller (compared to its replaced gen) is the ND.

Technically the new Supra has as well. May be taller and wider, but it's shorter and lighter.

Gen 4
Wheelbase: 100.4 in
Length: 177.7 in
Width: 71.3 in
Height: 50.2 in
Passenger volume: 72 cu ft
Cargo volume: 10 cu ft
Curb weight: 3480 lb

Gen 5
Wheelbase: 97.2 in
Length: 172.5 in
Width: 73.0 in
Height: 50.9 in
Passenger volume: 51 cu ft
Cargo volume: 10 cu ft
Curb weight: 3372 lb

As for the DCT, likely never. DCTs are typically longer so some cutting would probably have to be involved. But I'd be down if they could manage it!

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Mustangs and Camaros were never small and light

I mean, it's not a Lotus Elise, but......

The cars that really shock me are the latest 911s. Everytime I see one I can't believe how big they are now.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by abraxis

I mean, it's not a Lotus Elise, but......

The cars that really shock me are the latest 911s. Everytime I see one I can't believe how big they are now.

Thank the government, car companies and buyers that don't like to die for the changes.
That picture is also very deceptive.
The 2020 is only 4 inches longer, 1.5 inches wider and 2 inches higher. It isn't the David and Goliath scenario the pic would have you think.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

When will the Supra get a proper dual clutch transmission?

Why does it need one? The BMW ZF is a very well configured box, smoother than a DCT when you're not on it and I bet you would barely notice the difference when on the move as it changes gear very quickly. At no point did I think that I needed the gear changes to be quicker.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Thank the government, car companies and buyers that don't like to die for the changes.

So Mazda, a company of limited means, can manage to keep the Miata the same size/weight as it was 30 years ago. But Porsche cannot with their 911?

Sorry, that's BS. Instead they're using the 911 to fill the gap that used to be done by the 911 + 928. If the 928 still existed the 911 wouldn't be so bloated.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

So Mazda, a company of limited means, can manage to keep the Miata the same size/weight as it was 30 years ago. But Porsche cannot with their 911?

Sorry, that's BS. Instead they're using the 911 to fill the gap that used to be done by the 911 + 928. If the 928 still existed the 911 wouldn't be so bloated.

And exactly what Miata weighs the same now as 30 years ago?
Went from 2100 pounds to 2340 pounds. This is about the same percentage increase that every other car in production for the period went through.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

So Mazda, a company of limited means, can manage to keep the Miata the same size/weight as it was 30 years ago. But Porsche cannot with their 911?

Sorry, that's BS. Instead they're using the 911 to fill the gap that used to be done by the 911 + 928. If the 928 still existed the 911 wouldn't be so bloated.

Well to be fair the Miata's scope is pretty much the same as it always has been, and its an economy car for all intents and purposes.

While Porsche seems to go more and more tech/lux heavy as its perceived as not just a sports car brand, but a lux brand.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Well to be fair the Miata's scope is pretty much the same as it always has been, and its an economy car for all intents and purposes.

While Porsche seems to go more and more tech/lux heavy as its perceived as not just a sports car brand, but a lux brand.

I will add that it would be great if somebody showed me the crash test results for a Miata.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I will add that it would be great if somebody showed me the crash test results for a Miata.

This, so much this.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And exactly what Miata weighs the same now as 30 years ago?
Went from 2100 pounds to 2340 pounds. This is about the same percentage increase that every other car in production for the period went through.

Somehow the later generation NA Miatas weight just under 2300lb, so that was the one I'm thinking of. I have no doubt the 2100 lb quoted weight excludes power steering, ABS, LSD, more than 2 speaker stereo, AC. Whereas the ND includes all those items.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

This, so much this.

So much this? That a joke? A lighter smaller car will always be less safe than a heavier larger car. But sports cars are sports cars, not purchased for being bank vaults.

Nobody buys a 2800 lb car to be safe. If that was someone's primary concern then they would buy a 4000 lb CUV. All modern vehicles sold in 2020, even the ones with 1 star crash ratings, are ridiculously safe.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Somehow the later generation NA Miatas weight just under 2300lb, so that was the one I'm thinking of. I have no doubt the 2100 lb quoted weight excludes power steering, ABS, LSD, more than 2 speaker stereo, AC. Whereas the ND includes all those items.



So much this? That a joke? A lighter smaller car will always be less safe than a heavier larger car. But sports cars are sports cars, not purchased for being bank vaults.

Nobody buys a 2800 lb car to be safe. If that was someone's primary concern then they would buy a 4000 lb CUV. All modern vehicles sold in 2020, even the ones with 1 star crash ratings, are ridiculously safe.

Nobody buys them to be safe may be a bit of a blanket statement but the point remains that one of the ways the Miata was kept lighter is that they are that much less safe. Whether it is an acceptable risk to the buyers is not relevant to the fact that they are not even rated.

[WolfpackS2k]

No doubt about that with the NA Miata. Photos of those cars after they flip are not pleasant sights!