09-14-2013, 05:19 PM | #1149 |
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09-14-2013, 06:12 PM | #1150 | |
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I recently received my GS bar, and was keen to see the difference this modification would bring to the feel of the car. With the help of my brother we came up with a homegrown blind test. (Both my brother and I have science backgrounds and could be fairly accused of suffering from mild OCD ). The test was this, done five times. A. My brother would toss a coin, heads the bar is installed, tails not. B. In either case, step A would take fifteen minutes. C. I am not in the garage and cannot hear what he is doing D. My brother when finished step A and B would then pack up the tools, toot the horn and leave the garage. E. I would take the car for a fifteen minute drive. Same circuit each time, I would note down whether I thought the bar was in or out. F. When I returned, I would signal with the horn, leave the garage without crossing paths with my brother G. At the end of five tests, we compared the results. My brother had out, in, in, out, in. I had out, in, in, out, in. I don't want to scare anyone with how OCD I am, but the chances of me guessing correctly this sequence is one in thirty two, or a little over three percent. Apart from having an enjoyable afternoon spent with my brother having some fun with cars, which we both have keen interests in, I am happily convinced this modification does make a difference for me. For me it was clear very early in each drive whether the bar was in or not. The noise from bumps was subdued, the steering felt tighter and sharper and the car felt stiffer. I know these are all seat of the pants observations and hard to measure, all I can say is that for me I noticed differences that I liked and when I noticed these differences, it lined up with the bar being in. So for what it's worth, I am satisfied that the bar makes a difference for me, which I very much like. Ralph. |
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09-15-2013, 12:01 AM | #1151 | |
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I checked the break torque on mine and it was spot on 12ft/lbs Don't waste your money on a $100 torque wrench, a reasonable cheapy will do. If you are an angler and have the old type spring weighing scales that hangs with the hook on, just pull the socket bar at a 12" radius from the nut with those to 12lbs. 1ft x 12lbs = 12ft/lbs |
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09-15-2013, 09:17 PM | #1152 | ||
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We've been in touch via email/phone privately and have talked through the situation. We can't find a way that proper torque might have caused this issue (all four broken) but we're going to do what we can to find out. He's sending his brace back to us for a QA check to make sure that it wasn't defective. Being that the braces are all robotically welded in the same fixture, the chances that one is different are slim, but we're definitely going to check it out. We will let you all know the outcome as soon as we've 3D scanned his brace. Either way, we've agreed to give this customer the benefit of the doubt and will be refunding his purchase in full (shipping costs included). Matt Beenen Engineering |
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09-16-2013, 12:35 AM | #1153 |
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I can't see how ALL the bolts snapped and still be found after been driven.
Considering other vendors would deny all fault when facts stacked up AGAINST them, it is a breath of fresh air to see a vendor acting in good faith when all facts stacked IN FAVOUR with them.
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I am a little worried now. I was one of the first to receive the bar, and i bought a craftsman torque wrench for about 30$ or whatever but i haven't notice any problems. I went outside today to recheck the torque and they are all still about 12lbs or so. Its been on for about a few weeks now? I wonder if his bolts broke because it has something to do with the thickness of the new bar coupled with the existing braces? Since the nut is now sandwiching something thicker, wouldn't there be more stress on the bolt itself? I don't know anything about metallurgy, or bolt/torque science but I'm just worried lol. I really don't get how his thing snapped all 4......and didn't fall to the floor while driving. I hope he isn't hiding something. Then again if it broke while he was torquing it down he would of stopped after one snapped which leads me to believe it did sheer while he was driving...... |
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I have a feeling those studs are aluminum and not steel. For the person who had all 4 of them snap off, if you remove the nuts from the stud, will a magnet pick it up? Are the nuts aluminum? 12 lbs. of torque is squat and I'm thinking the studs are aluminum.
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Once the nuts are torqued down the sideways force is transmitted through the base of the strut to the tower and not the studs. Especially with a low straight bar like this one. A bar that is convex, like most of them, might be seen to be levering the stud up via the nut but not a straight one? |
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Late much...we even already went over the turbo that's lubricated by unicorn jizz.
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Haha I'm just messing with you. And it's 1162 posts.
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One thing I would like to add to the benefit of the GS strut brace is that today when I installed my Raceseng Crank pulley, I held onto the GS strut brace as leverage and it worked pretty good. Kept my body from making contact with the fender
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