GR 86: Orders /Reservation /Waitlist Chat

[Shrapnel]

Originally Posted by fredzy

It's still "A" for allocated, meaning it hasn't gotten onto a ship yet. Probably waiting around for a ride. Below is the only thing I know of.

*edit* trying this on a vin that I know is in transit, I don't see any ETA data. If anyone knows of a method to get the ETA let us know

using Google Chrome:

Open Developer Tools (F12 key)
Click on the "Network" tab
in the address bar, put: guest.dealer.toyota.com/v-spec/YOURVIN/detail
(subsitiute YOURVIN with your actual vin#)
A series of requests will appear in the developer tools pane.
Find the network request that shows {YOURVIN}?isVspec=true
Click on it, then click the "Preview" tab
here, you will see the dealerCategory:

A=Allocated
F=on a ship
G=on the ground in transit to the dealer

Mine was built April 6th, departed Japan April 16th and arrived at the port April 29th. It currently shows an "A" status fwiw.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Shrapnel

Mine was built April 6th, departed Japan April 16th and arrived at the port April 29th. It currently shows an "A" status fwiw.

13 days? That thing was moving!

[Shrapnel]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

13 days? That thing was moving!

Yeah it was!

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There are still major delays in ground transportation once the hit port though. Both trucking and rail are backed way up.

Depends on your location. I didn't say there were no delays.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Depends on your location. I didn't say there were no delays.

Didn't think you did. Just the ship is only one part of the equation for most people.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

The RO/RO boats and ports are different from conventional shipping. There aren't many delays there.

Good! Hopefully my '23 Will actually get here in August.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by Robertw

It’s unclear if you’re not fully understanding the situation, or simply being willfully ignorant because you chose a position to defend dealerships and that’s your hill to die on now.

To explain, when putting a deposit down you submit a build sheet for the car you want, fill out a credit card authorization form to run your card for the deposit, and more often than not fill out paperwork to have your credit report run. There is no paperwork involved regarding a time limit for how quickly the dealership will get you your car.

What actually happens is you put your deposit down for the car you want, let’s say a red premium manual, the dealership tells you 4-6 months, month 8 comes around and a white base manual arrives. The dealership offers you the car, you can A. Take it, or B. Pass on it. By passing on it, you wait for another allocation, the dealership does not offer to refund your deposit. In their opinion they got you a car, you passed on it. You can walk away, but they keep your deposit. The dealership is under no obligation to get you the exact car you want, because they don’t decide what cars they get. They know this and are insisting on taking non refundable deposits, knowing once they have your deposit, they can do with you what they want.

Consumers are putting deposits down with multiple dealerships because they want a specific spec’d car. This is the only way to get the exact car you want or dumb luck. Toyota created this situation, not consumers. Don’t get it twisted. It’s Toyotas allocation lottery system vs Subarus build to order system.

The people putting their name in at every dealership in existence are the ones that upset me and I have no sympathy for. We're all waiting for the same cars but they want to be in 100 different lines so if they're losing non-refundable deposits because they wanted to have that advantage that seems like a fair compromise to me. Every dealership wouldn't be fighting for the exact same specs in every allocation if the same people weren't putting every dealership in a region up to it.

I'm perfectly happy to drive my FT for another year while I wait for the dealership that I work with to get the car. But I really hope these people take their names off the damn lists after they get the car so those of us who aren't running around town everywhere can have a decent chance at getting the build we want.

[ayoshioka1]

Placed my deposit at Longo Toyota back in November for a Halo Prem 6MT. Currently #1 waitlist but still no word on allocation...

[Kronk]

Italy here. Ordered a red premium on the day of release! A little sorry about the lack of back duckbill but hoping on a good after sales. No idea about the date of delivery.

[Exrald]

After a long wait, it’s finally here y’all!! It looks so good to see two twins in the garage.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Locust

But I really hope these people take their names off the damn lists after they get the car so those of us who aren't running around town everywhere can have a decent chance at getting the build we want.

I'm sure they will, but it won't matter since they'll never get more than one allocation in a year anyhow.

I heard things are so bad with GR Corolla that dealers are wiping out their lists and telling people to leave them alone. Perhaps Toyota will consider a shift from lottery to first come first serve allocations for some models as this is the root cause (and where discontent is better placed.)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fredzy

I'm sure they will, but it won't matter since they'll never get more than one allocation in a year anyhow.

I heard things are so bad with GR Corolla that dealers are wiping out their lists and telling people to leave them alone. Perhaps Toyota will consider a shift from lottery to first come first serve allocations for some models as this is the root cause (and where discontent is better placed.)

Toyota allocates to dealers not individuals. Some dealers may receive 20 and other 1 or 2 as it is based on overall volume of sales.
Any other year there may be a bit of a wait but production and delivery would likely be at least close to demand. Much like when the cars were first introduced. This however is not any other year.
Worst possible time to be ordering any new car and the problem is not even close to being restricted to Toyota or the 86.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Worst possible time to be ordering any new car and the problem is not even close to being restricted to Toyota or the 86.

I figured the same, that people are experiencing long waits for many Toyota models. Talking to a few different dealers I learned that it is of course harder across the board but 86 is in a league of it's own - at least in my region. I'd heard of people waiting 10 months for a Sienna allocation.. apparently that's an outlier (was probably in CA.) For my local dealer, next longest anyone has waited for an allocation for any model in recent memory has been 3 months or so, half my wait so far.

Learning this I realized eh, Toyota's allocation system probably does work well enough most of the time where they wouldn't go reinventing it for one model.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fredzy

I figured the same, that people are experiencing long waits for many Toyota models. Talking to a few different dealers I learned that it is of course harder across the board but 86 is in a league of it's own - at least in my region. I'd heard of people waiting 10 months for a Sienna allocation.. apparently that's an outlier (was probably in CA.) For my local dealer, next longest anyone has waited for an allocation for any model in recent memory has been 3 months or so, half my wait so far.

Learning this I realized eh, Toyota's allocation system probably does work well enough most of the time where they wouldn't go reinventing it for one model.

My grandson is 5 months into his 6 month estimated wait for a Corolla. A freakin' COROLLA!
My wife is now well into month 4 of a 1 to 3 month wait for an Ascent.
A buddy was just told there will be at least a 5 month wait for a F150.
It is insane!

The 86 allocation system would probably have been fine under normal conditions. The problem seems to be that they have only managed to make about 30% of the expected capacity. Based on the "info" on here at any rate.