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To explain, when putting a deposit down you submit a build sheet for the car you want, fill out a credit card authorization form to run your card for the deposit, and more often than not fill out paperwork to have your credit report run. There is no paperwork involved regarding a time limit for how quickly the dealership will get you your car. What actually happens is you put your deposit down for the car you want, let’s say a red premium manual, the dealership tells you 4-6 months, month 8 comes around and a white base manual arrives. The dealership offers you the car, you can A. Take it, or B. Pass on it. By passing on it, you wait for another allocation, the dealership does not offer to refund your deposit. In their opinion they got you a car, you passed on it. You can walk away, but they keep your deposit. The dealership is under no obligation to get you the exact car you want, because they don’t decide what cars they get. They know this and are insisting on taking non refundable deposits, knowing once they have your deposit, they can do with you what they want. Consumers are putting deposits down with multiple dealerships because they want a specific spec’d car. This is the only way to get the exact car you want or dumb luck. Toyota created this situation, not consumers. Don’t get it twisted. It’s Toyotas allocation lottery system vs Subarus build to order system. |
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I did exactly this process to order my Hakone. I however did not go to several dealers order one and put down a non refundable deposit hoping one would get it faster than the other. I also was smart enough to get in WRITING that if they could not get one within 6 months my non refundable deposit would be refunded. They got one, the deposit went against the price and all was good. To be clear I am not defending the dealer nor the buyer here. If somebody wants to put down deposits on several orders that is their call and reasonable. At the same time dealers wanting to protect their sale by insuring that when they get the car in the buyer actually takes it is also reasonable.
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Your argument makes absolutely no sense in todays market. Please stop. |
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I knew something was weird with their process when I saw so many automatic GR86's out there on lots but not a manual in sight. Either way, Subaru accepted my order for a sapphire blue with manual transmission and short throw! Gonna be fun having this thing and then turning my 2010 mini cooper s into a track car. |
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Mine was one of 35 brought into the country and they didn't build them anymore. You don't get more restricted than that. As you said EVERY car right now (well other than Ram trucks) have more buyers than cars right now. My wife has been waiting for an Ascent for 3 months. We did not go to several dealers and leave a deposit hoping one would get it quicker. The dispute here is about the supposedly "non refundable" deposits not how hard it is to get cars or how easily they will sell. The deposits can totally be refundable if people just take the simple precaution of getting conditions documented. You are really adding scope creep to the discussion in your desperate attempt to tell me I am wrong.
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Ultimately, I would never put a nonrefundable deposit on anything I haven't actually laid eyes, or aren't 100% sure I was going to buy. Long term though, if car sales continue to move toward the order now, delivery later model I agree Toyota will have to change their system to match. If I'm going to have to order a car, rather than select one, then I expect to get the exact car I order, not a reasonable facsimile.
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The biggest issue with the GR86 isn't the ordering system but the unplanned low production numbers. In a "normal" year they would have had enough made to go around already. Unfortunately this car was released in one of the worst years in the history of the industry.
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EXCEPT the GR86. This is probably because they don't actually build the car and the order system between them and Subaru may simply not be set up to special order anything.
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https://jalopnik.com/you-might-not-g...lla-1848804894 By just making stuff and distributing it based on some formula they're only making the problem worse. And don't get me started on dealer markups. |
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I’ve also said, repeatedly, it’s on the buyers to understand what they’re signing. Folks please read. That does not change my opinion though, that non refundable deposits are a scam. When I called them a scam is when the dealer white knights showed up, and started this debate. Last edited by Robertw; 05-11-2022 at 11:13 AM. |
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As much as dealer markups suck they are a business and have a product that people are willing to pay extra for. As long as people continue to pay that extra they will charge it. If you are selling your car and somebody says they will give you $5,000 more than it is worth are you going to say no?
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Dealerships are a business and want to ensure they stay that way not spend time working on deals that are not going to happen. If people order a product they should be prepared to follow through.
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2. If I give a dealer money up front for a car to be sold to me @ MSRP then we've entered a deal and they should honor that deal. And if they jack up the price when the car comes in then I should be able to get my full deposit back. PERIOD. |
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