Car runs terrible after switching from OFT to ECUTEK

[T0rt0r0]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

Yes if you disconnect battery for a while, ecu kind of reset and vvt will take longer to activate
The hotter engine oil is, the shorter it takes

Even if you just reset DTC will do the same

Thanks !

I hope that with regular oil changes and track abuse I'll not encounter this issue before a lot of miles ... !

[steve99]

Originally Posted by solidsnake11

So if you flash back stock you loose your ecutek license?

No flashing to stock with ecutek retains licience but it unlocks ecu. Other systems like oft,tactrix, brzefit can then write to ecu, but if you use other system to write, then that will overwrite the embedded ecutek licience in ecu and its lost, as the other systems dont re write the licience code.


As long as you continue to use ecutek to write the licience is retained, you can flash thousands of times, whetever tune you like

[steve99]

Originally Posted by T0rt0r0

Thanks for your quick reply !

To my understanding, disconnecting the battery leads to a new learning phase (with dead pedal etc.) so I'm assuming the car will need to activate cams again.

When these cars will be old it'll be a serious problem if vvt goes off like this :/

The only time ive seen a tune be a problem with vvt activation is if base idle speed is set to over about 1000 rpm. The ecu want to see a series of conditions for about 60 seconds to initilise vvt, zero throttle idle less than about 1000 , vvt phasors at zero , likely oil or coolant tems at some level and possibly others. But ive heard of guys with rearly high base idle having trouble

[Joe85C]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If you are not resetting learning, then no.

Quick question also when I had the OFT I would frequently clear my check engine code (p2096) since I run catless headers, the car would always have that typical dead pedal sequence for a few fays. Since it's doing that dead pedal sequence everytime after clearing codes, doesn't that count also "flashing" the ecu again? Shouldnt the cams have misbehaved back with the OFT when I did that the code clearing since the ecu is re-learning again? Or do they only misbehave when you flash a new tune with different cams settings while clogged?

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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Joe85C

Quick question also when I had the OFT I would frequently clear my check engine code (p2096) since I run catless headers, the car would always have that typical dead pedal sequence for a few fays. Since it's doing that dead pedal sequence everytime after clearing codes, doesn't that count also "flashing" the ecu again? Shouldnt the cams have misbehaved back with the OFT when I did that the code clearing since the ecu is re-learning again? Or do they only misbehave when you flash a new tune with different cams settings while clogged?

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two completely different parameters, as learning is mainly for fueling, whereas cams are a readiness check.

[tomm.brz]

You are implying the sluggish throttle is caused by vvt not enabling but we Don t know for sure yet without proof (= logs)

Also,
Are you pressing very slowly the accel pedal for 3 or 4 times with the ignition on and engine off before cranking the engine after reflash or DTC clearing?
It helps a lot


About learning, csg Mike Is right, Ltft learning plays a big role in engine smoothness and pedal response
In my tune i keep ltft disabled all the time and basically in less than 5 minutes of driving my pedal goes ok

[Joe85C]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

two completely different parameters, as learning is mainly for fueling, whereas cams are a readiness check.

Oh ok didnt know that. Sorry still learning here just throwing out any possibilities I can think of haha

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[Joe85C]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

You are implying the sluggish throttle is caused by vvt not enabling but we Don t know for sure yet without proof (= logs)

Also,
Are you pressing very slowly the accel pedal for 3 or 4 times with the ignition on and engine off before cranking the engine after reflash or DTC clearing?
It helps a lot


About learning, csg Mike Is right, Ltft learning plays a big role in engine smoothness and pedal response
In my tune i keep ltft disabled all the time and basically in less than 5 minutes of driving my pedal goes ok

So after the clearings I never did that process. Just drove normally until car went back to normal. While having these issues and symptoms for the last 7 months, whenever I disconnected the battery and then drove the car for a few days, the car would actually feel a little better and smoother for those few days. The MPG would actually hovering around the mid 21's for those few days. After a few days when the car went back to its usual state after the re learn process, the car felt horrible once again and even the MPG dropped significantly. I'm currently down to 18.2 and slowly going down. I was also clearly running out of fuel much much quicker then before.

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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Joe85C

So after the clearings I never did that process. Just drove normally until car went back to normal. While having these issues and symptoms for the last 7 months, whenever I disconnected the battery and then drove the car for a few days, the car would actually feel a little better and smoother for those few days. The MPG would actually hovering around the mid 21's for those few days. After a few days when the car went back to its usual state after the re learn process, the car felt horrible once again and even the MPG dropped significantly. I'm currently down to 18.2 and slowly going down. I was also clearly running out of fuel much much quicker then before.

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Got logs? I'll take a look. I can tell you if its cams or not.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Joe85C

Oh ok didnt know that. Sorry still learning here just throwing out any possibilities I can think of haha

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The licience always stays in ecu


You cannot recover a licence by flashing to stock it still stays in ecu


Hoever if you did purchase any used working ecu that contained an valid ecutek licience you can then install it in your car and reflash it using ecutek to required calid for your car

[steve99]

Originally Posted by solidsnake11

Do I need the cable that it was flashed with?

No you dont , licience is totally independant of cable used


Tune files supplied by tuner are keyed to cable dongle id ( and possibly vin) but the licience in ecu is npt keyed to a cable kit.


Any ecutek cable can reflash an ecu with an ecutek licience.


But cavle kits are designated to groups of vehicles so you would need a cavle kit assigned to a brz\86 vehicle type


See here
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117520

[Joe85C]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Got logs? I'll take a look. I can tell you if its cams or not.

So I dont have any logs but while data logging my tuner has said it was for sure the cams not responding well and was very sure and that he has ran into this problem with other cars 86s hes tuned. He said the seafoam through the oil helped the other cars but seafoam procedure had zero affect on my issues getting better. Mine was very weird because mine happened so instantatisly after the first flash it went from the car being perfect to driving terrible. Sorry if I dont explain this correctly for I'm not too educated in this subject enough, but if I remember clearly he said he was giving the cams a certain amount of retard and they would end up doing something completely different from what he set them at. Sorry if that was a bad explanation but I'm sure that's what he said.

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[tomm.brz]

We would really need a datalog to discuss this
If he tells you that cams don t follow well the target it s different from saying cams Don t activate, because if you say so then the vvt is enabled

I saw some cars where the cams struggle a bit to follow the tune's target, or like jump to 50 when you command 40, or a discrepancy of 2-3 degrees sometimes, but those cars still run well and the owners Don t complain

[Joe85C]

Originally Posted by tomm.brz

We would really need a datalog to discuss this
If he tells you that cams don t follow well the target it s different from saying cams Don t activate, because if you say so then the vvt is enabled

I saw some cars where the cams struggle a bit to follow the tune's target, or like jump to 50 when you command 40, or a discrepancy of 2-3 degrees sometimes, but those cars still run well and the owners Don t complain

I know without logs theres really no point in me trying trying to explain the issue other then the issues the cars having. I just messaged him about flashing back to stock 91 oem tune and seeing what happens. I was also thinking of having him copy the tables from the OFT e85 tune as well but I'm thinking going to stock tune on 91 would be a more cut and dry option for troubleshooting the issues? So to make clear if the car doesnt run normal after going back to the oem tune or even the OFT tune, the car for certain needs new cam gears?

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