Bad wheel nut threads

[NoHaveMSG]

I've never messed up a stock stud either but I always run them on gently.

Highly advise against anti seize or any type of thread lubricant. Has a drastic effect on torque.

[Ultramaroon]

To be clear, I'm on my original wheel studs/nuts. I only became curious after reading all the horror stories. Wheels are removed a few times annually.

The stock acorn nuts are pretty sloppy but, handled accordingly...

[gen3v8]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Highly advise against anti seize or any type of thread lubricant. Has a drastic effect on torque.

Can change the torque up to 40%.Yes I use some copper grease. Makes me wonder what level of destruction others have applied for a failure. I start by hand, use a rattle gun, then finish on the ground with a torque wrench. I do use aftermarket steel wheel nuts that show no signs of failure nor do the wheel studs. I have aluminium nuts that are also fine but not for track use IMO.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by gen3v8

Can change the torque up to 40%.Yes I use some copper grease. Makes me wonder what level of destruction others have applied for a failure. I start by hand, use a rattle gun, then finish on the ground with a torque wrench. I do use aftermarket steel wheel nuts that show no signs of failure nor do the wheel studs. I have aluminium nuts that are also fine but not for track use IMO.

I know a lot of people who have gotten away with it for a long time so take it with a grain of salt. All the tests I have scene show a pretty drastic change in torque.

I think the biggest issue with the stock studs is poor tolerances on the studs and lugs combined with speed from an impact. I run my down on a super low hand tight setting then give it a few whacks when snug then hand torque. They always seem to fail from galling.

[gen3v8]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I know a lot of people who have gotten away with it for a long time so take it with a grain of salt. All the tests I have scene show a pretty drastic change in torque.

I think the biggest issue with the stock studs is poor tolerances on the studs and lugs combined with speed from an impact. I run my down on a super low hand tight setting then give it a few whacks when snug then hand torque. They always seem to fail from galling.

Yes like the throttle on corner exit when you have power. Squeeze don`t squash the rattle gun trigger. Not that I`m telling you how to operate your machines be they simple or not.

[Ultramaroon]

No extra points for speed. I do it all by hand.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

No extra points for speed. I do it all by hand.

Yep, this tool, applied with "two squeaks and a grunt" has served me well for the past 75 years.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Yep, this tool, applied with "two squeaks and a grunt" has served me well for the past 75 years.

Amen, my friend.

[Qwimby1]

I've converted one rear wheel to ARP studs and plan to do the rest as I get to it. In the meantime I have ARP studs in the car with instructions to anyone who I might have do tire work to replace the entire wheel if one stud breaks.

[e_lunatic]

I never had an issue with the stock lug nuts, however the Toyota dealer that would rotate my tires when i first got it had a hell of a time with them and wound up crossthreading 2 of them leading to breaking 2 of the studs. Stopped taking it to Toyota after that and never had another problem.


I have been running stock studs and aftermarket lugs for about 7 years with zero issues. I also run a small dab of pressure lube on the studs and have never had a torque issue (YMMV).

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Highly advise against anti seize or any type of thread lubricant. Has a drastic effect on torque.

Originally Posted by gen3v8

Can change the torque up to 40%.

Torque test channel recently had one that covered this.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Torque test channel recently had one that covered this.

They do a lot of cool videos. It’s nice seeing some of the stuff old timers taught me to be true when he did his mythbusting videos.

[blsfrs]

A buddy of mine used Neverseize on everything from steak to seafood. When he was installing brakes, he put it on the lugs of his Ford Exploder. After about a month, it developed a vibration. He took it to a shop to have his tires rebalanced and guess what.


A. The tires needed balancing.
B. You never use neverseize with seafood.
C. Loose nuts

[gen3v8]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Torque test channel recently had one that covered this.

I`m sure if you used a tapered seat with different metals and another product recommended for wheel nuts/studs the results would be completely different. As I have Seen.(Not scene)