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05-16-2022, 02:14 PM | #15 | |
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I cross-shopped the 86 and the Fiero (specifically with a 3800SC swap). It depends hugely on what you want from the car. I wanted something cool, fun to drive, etc. that was (more importantly to me) uncommon and didn't have a ton of "X car guys are like Y" kind of stigma. My wife sees the Fiero as a 30 year-old car that's going to probably be unreliable and definitely consume a ton of money as I fix/improve stuff throughout. So she went out and found the 86 and started dropping hints. Don't get me wrong - I still want a supercharged mid-engine pocket rocket, but having a car that starts every single time, with a full warranty, and absolutely zero miles worth of worry about what's about to wear out next? That's not hard math. It costs less up front (with financing) and probably less per year (realistically, considering the ongoing project keeping a really nice Fiero running is). TL;DR - when you look at things with different perspectives, many cars become comparable that are, from another perspective, not remotely so. |
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It's just another example of things that get regurgitated in media/forums, in this case hydraulic=better, which is not always the case. I just sat through a dinner with some BMW guys heralding hydraulic the end all be all. Oo it's heavier, it's sporty. Meanwhile, the modern s2k enthusiasts love the s2k steering feel. Yeah the Cayman with its taller gearing just sorta numbs the whole experience, and with its more capable tire package just feels bored driving around. Granted though I still love Caymans, but the twins have a playfulness that I just have not found elsewhere. The Cayman relative to its competition though has a similar trait, since it's price competitors have gigantic tires, huge power, etc. |
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I am turning 50 this year and getting a 981 base in the next month or two, strictly for weekend or weekday mountain runs. I will let you know, but it will be strictly a street comparison. I have wanted a Cayman and came close many times, but always felt it was better to burn miles on a Subie. I literally give it a 50:50 chance I think my BRZ is more fun on the street.
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The S2000's rack has always been panned for being numb and offering little feedback. On the plus side its a very quick and direct rack. But i don't see anyone, now or ever, that has praised its feel.
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Agreed, however he has mentioned a few times how the s2000 has great steering feel. It is precise, quick, and direct, but feel is not something it's known for.
Personally, while I understand feel and can discern it, if given the option of more feel vs a quicker rack in a car with good reflexes but with less feel, I'll take the latter. Like say an older Porsche or a car with a manual rack (like some of the CRXs) vs an s2000, personally I prefer the s2000. |
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Next time you know, someone will start to say the GR86 is better than a Cayman GT4
My friend's boss has one. I drove it for a little while. That GT4 is the perfect sport cars. Everything is so precise. German engineering at its best. It's only flaw is that it's too perfect. |
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The later Caymans (981 and 982) are geared about one gear taller than the Twins (particularly the 2017+ with the 4.3 final drive).
At 7000 RPM, 2017 Twin 2nd is 54 MPH, 718 Cayman 1st is 44 MPH. Twin 3rd is 77, Cayman 2nd is 75. Twin 4th is 99, Cayman 3rd is 104. Twin 5th is 119, Cayman 4th is 130. |
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987 Cayman steering feel was a *tremendous* disappointment to me. I wouldn't go so far as to say I hated it, but I *greatly* prefer my '17 BRZ's steering. While I don't wanna like the 981 because it's so much *bulkier* visually, I do think its electric steering is an *improvement* over the 987 on the street and track. Unpopular opinion but there it is... |
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