Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah I agree objectively it will certainly be better. It’s more whether I’ll like the subjective aspects as you said (exterior/interior design, engine sound, steering feel, etc.). It’ll be interesting to see. Bit of a risk but I think worth the gamble, especially if the new one responds well to e85.

Having test driven the new one and put an order. I think the only area of possible disappointment will be the steering feel, its more numb. Early FRS vs the new generation, you will get a lot more road feel from the old car. Otherwise the handling remains sharp, responsive, etc.

Perhaps upgrading the steering rack's bushing might return some of the road feel information the old one provided. That was really the starkest difference between old and new where I was in favour of old.

Pretty much everything else bar some inconsequential minor things, I prefer the new car or the new car is identical to the old one. That is kind of the advantage of going the evolution route for a next gen.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

Perhaps upgrading the steering rack's bushing might return some of the road feel information the old one provided. That was really the starkest difference between old and new where I was in favour of old.

It might not be that simple, I think I read somewhere the steering caster had changed and the steering ratio. From the reviews I’ve read though it sounds minor and the steering feel is still pretty good.

[Yoshoobaroo]

I honestly think the change in steering feel comes more from the wheel itself than the rack and assist system. I noticed the same slight drop in steering feel when test driving a 2017 BRZ, compared to my 2013. The facelift steering wheel is a bit fatter and has more padding so it transmits less vibrations. The steering wheel in the new car is carried over from the facelift, so it makes sense the steering feel will be slightly less than an early 1st gen.

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

It might not be that simple, I think I read somewhere the steering caster had changed and the steering ratio. From the reviews I’ve read though it sounds minor and the steering feel is still pretty good.

I agree it is minor, otherwise I might not have ordered the new car. It however was the most drastic difference I noticed between my old car and the new one though.

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I honestly think the change in steering feel comes more from the wheel itself than the rack and assist system. I noticed the same slight drop in steering feel when test driving a 2017 BRZ, compared to my 2013. The facelift steering wheel is a bit fatter and has more padding so it transmits less vibrations. The steering wheel in the new car is carried over from the facelift, so it makes sense the steering feel will be slightly less than an early 1st gen.

That's an interesting thought because I assumed the difference between early cars and the facelifted ones were extremely minimal. How vital are the buttons on the wheel? I wouldn't have too many qualms about using an original BRZ wheel if it provided that feel, if it does that...I might as well change the stalks then.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Jegan_V

I agree it is minor, otherwise I might not have ordered the new car. It however was the most drastic difference I noticed between my old car and the new one though.



That's an interesting thought because I assumed the difference between early cars and the facelifted ones were extremely minimal. How vital are the buttons on the wheel? I wouldn't have too many qualms about using an original BRZ wheel if it provided that feel, if it does that...I might as well change the stalks then.

The steering wheel buttons are the only way to control the info screen on the left of the gauges. That said @geraldjust made a little controller for the cluster on the facelift cars that would allow you to use a buttonless wheel.

[*Axel]

Originally Posted by Little Samurai

Anyone around here knows how long the GR86 and the BRZ 2 should be built in the USA
greetings Ulli

Originally Posted by bcj

None of the twins have been US built.
They all come from one plant in Gunma, Japan.
All of them, worldwide.

I'm unaware of any plans to move or expand production at present.
I don't think that they should have to.

I'm sore that North America isn't getting the GR Yarris.
Get one of those while you can

I wouldn’t buy one made in North America. It’s one of the things I favor about the platform, high quality control.

Originally Posted by PBR

..I'm going to tell the worst thing you're ever going to hear. Gen 1 is now obsolete. The truth hurts. It's so much stiffer, refined and faster it actually might be worth going into debt for. That 2.0 in hindsight was pretty awful. Cheers.

Ouch! Relentless!

Originally Posted by PBR

Why? A Golf is a mini minivan...

🤣

Originally Posted by Ernest72

As PBR said, maybe a used one in a few years from now when they are cheap. I never say never.

In a few years they will be collectable for the NA ICE factor.

Originally Posted by dsc_pat

The new car is amazing.

Yes, it’s lovely and fun.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I saw one in the wild at a dealership in the last few days. Seeing it in person just cemented my already stated dislike for the design changes. The interior is nice though.

Perhaps you'll feel different after you pay off the old one.

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The facelift steering wheel is a bit fatter and has more padding..

Is what I like most about it.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by *Axel

Perhaps you'll feel different after you pay off the old one. .

Probably won't given my 2013 has been paid off since 2012.

[*Axel]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Probably won't given my 2013 has been paid off since 2012.

I kid, I kid.
I saw the date: '13 FR-S (#3 of 1st 86)

Freaking awesome! Congrats You've been having fun with the platform for a long time.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by *Axel

Freaking awesome! Congrats You've been having fun with the platform for a long time.

Indeed, and almost 200K miles.

No worries. I can see the appeal of the GEN2 to some folks, just like widebody kits on the GEN1 have an appeal. It's just not for me, a little too racer boy, and I think the front end lost its character.

Ultimately, as I've said before, I rarely buy a second version of the same model anyway so I'm probably not the target audience for the GEN2.

That said, if my GEN1 caught fire today, I can't think of another new car in the same price range I would buy so who knows?

[geraldjust]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The steering wheel buttons are the only way to control the info screen on the left of the gauges. That said @geraldjust made a little controller for the cluster on the facelift cars that would allow you to use a buttonless wheel.

yup will make a plate that will allow you to mount your cruise control and the navigation switches for for the 2022+ cars. Currently the plates are almost ready for testing. unfortunately i don't have anyone local in San Diego to do a local fitment test. Wish someone in South of San Diego was there to be honest to also have a go to with going through all the dealer level software and see what we can configure in these cars via Computer.

[gen3v8]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Indeed, and almost 200K miles.

No worries. I can see the appeal of the GEN2 to some folks, just like widebody kits on the GEN1 have an appeal. It's just not for me, a little too racer boy, and I think the front end lost its character.

Ultimately, as I've said before, I rarely buy a second version of the same model anyway so I'm probably not the target audience for the GEN2.

That said, if my GEN1 caught fire today, I can't think of another new car in the same price range I would buy so who knows?

I don`t understand how you can say the GEN2 is a "a little too racer boy". Unless you are thinking in the direction of it actually makes some power. Like whats boy racer about it?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by gen3v8

I don`t understand how you can say the GEN2 is a "a little too racer boy". Unless you are thinking in the direction of it actually makes some power. Like whats boy racer about it?

No the power is fine. I'd be OK if it came with 300HP frankly.

I'm talking about the external design, particularly the side profile and the vents, and the sideboards you could use to stand on. it just looks like it was an afterthought, "Oh we need to change this up so we can say it's a new car". At least the vents are functional.

Again, just my opinion, no offense intended if you like the way it looks.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No the power is fine. I'd be OK if it came with 300HP frankly.

I'm talking about the external design, particularly the side profile and the vents, and the sideboards you could use to stand on. it just looks like it was an afterthought, "Oh we need to change this up so we can say it's a new car". At least the vents are functional.

Again, just my opinion, no offense intended if you like the way it looks.

It looks like it was designed in sections by three different people that didn't know what the others were doing. The whole front bumper. side vents and running boards look like somebody started installing a body kit at the nose and then just stopped.
All in all the design cues that work very well on a beefier car like the STi just don't fit on the BRZ/86.

You know we are not allowed to have this opinion though so it doesn't matter since the second gen is now a super car and the old ones are just trash.

[ZDan]

IMO the new design is less aggro and less "boy-racerish". New-gen front fenders are less gimmicky and cleaner and more sculpted. If anything the new BRZ front bumper is slimmer and less bluff and wouldn't fit at all on a big bulky car. The little kick in the rocker panels aft of the door doesn't bother me, I think it's a clean counterpoint to the front fenders and also fills in some plain dead space between the back of the door and wheel opening. In a proper FR sports car that space wouldn't exist...

I like both, a lot. Neither are perfect and as far as I'm concerned both suffer in the looks department due to rear wheels too far aft. Which also kills the weight distribution. Oh wellz!