(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Less than 100 lb, sourced from Edmunds. If the distribution is right, should be unnoticeable.

I remember seeing a claim that weight distribution is now 50/50, but I can't find it again. It was either in one of the articles or one of the videos. Does anyone have a link handy?

Edit: found it - https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ew-info-photos

Subaru says the BRZ’s center of gravity has moved even lower and the car has “near perfect” weight distribution

Not sure how much closer to 50/50 the "near perfect" is gonna be.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

I remember seeing a claim that weight distribution is now 50/50, but I can't find it again. It was either in one of the articles or one of the videos. Does anyone have a link handy?

It is being marketed as "near perfect weight distribution", but who knows what marketing people think is perfect.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Less than 100 lb, sourced from Edmunds. If the distribution is right, should be unnoticeable.


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Less than 100lb from the 2013 versions specifically. I'm ok with a gain of ~2.4% (~65lb) for an extra ~15% power.

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Not sure how much closer to 50/50 the "near perfect" is gonna be.

There might be some conditions that apply: "you need to put 2 people in the trunk for 50/50"

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[ZDan]

Originally Posted by surfwaxsmitty

Styling cues from British, German, and of course some Japanese sports cars of the past and present.

Don't forget Italian... The new front end design has a bit of modern front-engine Ferrari in it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Tuners should like it. In fact, it should do quite well in power gains with that kind of compression. All we have to hope for, is that nothing was cheaped out too much in the engine for long term reliability.

With E85 available there is huge potential but at that compression anybody that can't get it will be very restricted in how much more they will get out of it.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Don't forget Italian... The new front end design has a bit of modern front-engine Ferrari in it.

[Baldeagle]

Is 80 pounds really that noticeable in a 2,800 pound car? If the gas tank holds 13.2 gallons and gasoline weighs 6.3 lbs/gallon, the difference between a full and empty tank (≈11.2 gallons) is about 70 pounds. Every time we fill our gas tank, we increase the car’s weight by about as much as the delta between the 1st and 2nd gen BRZ/86. I’m with @chipmunk and suspect that 80lbs is nearly unnoticeable. As counter point, if that 80 lbs increased torsional rigidity by the claimed 50%, handling may improve despite the slight weight gain.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

So is the weight gain.

80lbs heavier isn’t ideal I agree, but I think the 2nd gen will feel faster in pretty much all situations. And it probably won’t be difficult to reduce some of that 80lb gain. Lighter wheels and brakes. Remember this is the first version. I can see an STI (or TS) version being lighter.


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[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by JesseG

The twins don’t put down M3 power levels, a wider tire wouldn’t help much except look better. I guess you could argue you could have more cornering grip with wider tires, a bigger contact patch, but it sounds like there is tons of grip with this car. And razor sharp steering. I’m ok with the skinny tires, especially an actual good tire like the Michelin PS4.


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Even with sub 200hp to the wheels,it's still easy to whip the tail out. Once you put on 225 or wider,you'll notice a significant difference in grip. I know first hand,because that's exactly what I did and I feel the difference,and I'm positive that other can confirm the same.

Now imagine the same narrow tire width with 20+ more hp and more torque. Maybe the new tires have more grip,but I feel like this car shouldn't come with anything thinner than a 225 out of the box.

I always felt like from the engineers perspective,to expect the buyers of this car to all be able to drive this car at 10/10 and be capable of controlling it in a slide in corners,vs having wider,more grippy tires where everyone can control it,is asking a whole lot,but that's just me.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

80lbs heavier isn’t ideal I agree, but I think the 2nd gen will feel faster in pretty much all situations. And it probably won’t be difficult to reduce some of that 80lb gain. Lighter wheels and brakes. Remember this is the first version. I can see an STI (or TS) version being lighter.


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Ummm all of the tS versions in the first gen were around 50 pounds heavier than the other versions. Not sure how they would be lighter now.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Even with sub 200hp to the wheels,it's still easy to whip the tail out. Once you put on 225 or wider,you'll notice a significant difference in grip. I know first hand,because that's exactly what I did and I feel the difference,and I'm positive that other can confirm the same.

Now imagine the same narrow tire width with 20+ more hp and more torque. Maybe the new tires have more grip,but I feel like this car shouldn't come with anything thinner than a 225 out of the box.

I always felt like from the engineers perspective,to expect the buyers of this car to all be able to drive this car at 10/10 and be capable of controlling it in a slide in corners,vs having wider,more grippy tires where everyone can control it,is asking a whole lot,but that's just me.

The whole thing is that the engineers are not building a car to be driven at 10/10. They are building a car for 5/10 driving. They have to make compromises that even they don't like to meet many different requirements. They expect the guys driving it at 10/10 to know what to do to fix those compromises.
Remember it is built as a street car that can be used on the track not a track car that can be used on the street.

[wbradley]

The big difference between gen 1 and gen 2 for me is that the new model requires minimal modification out of the box. For track, you can wait for tS or Performance Package, or add quality coilovers and pads/fluid. This creates a racing class, without the desire for FI. They tested the car against a new Mustang EcoBoost, which isnt exactly slow with track pack. For daily, the tires and 240 horsepower and I'm happy. Shiv.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by soundman98

stopped at #2296. my main question is, will the new motor swap easily into the 'old' car, and how long is it going to take for people to start doing it? also curious about the 'upgraded' brakes(despite looking identical), and the lug pattern spacing...

the first thing that comes to mind is "designed by focus group". the edges are smoothed over, and just feel like a phycologist asking me "how do you feel about that"...

the digital dash is a major deal killer(backlight fuks up night vision, i drive the car primarily at night), stupid built-in rear spoiler on the trunk messes up most wing options, the rear end styling is so bland, it kills anything left that the digital dash didn't.

I think the only exterior element of the car that I do like is the built in trunk lip. Other than that,I'm not a fan.

I mentioned the exact same thing about swapping motors. Some people like the looks of the OG versions.Some people like the refresh.Seems like there are many more people that are disappointed with the exterior of this version than the previous two,so far. Easy solution would seem to be able to take what's under the hood of this version and put it under the hood of either of the previous two versions.I know if my '13 had an extra 30hp,I'd be over the moon.