Major accident/Engine failure after repeated P0351/P0017/P0019

[OICU812]

Parts for engine 10k?, what?

How much is this engine new? Seriously....

[TopGearSolutions]

Wow epic story!

[zc06_kisstherain]

i would like to know how this is going to end. keep us updated

[jhh3000]

The fact that this engine might have a fundamental fault that will cause it and/or the drivetrain to seize up is really disturbing. I hope subaru / toyota figure this out. I'd also like to keep updated on this issue. (btw, did you have an automatic or manual? would you have been able to hit the clutch?)

[Td-d]

Originally Posted by OICU812

Parts for engine 10k?, what?

How much is this engine new? Seriously....

You have to be careful comparing prices directly between the States and South Africa - we pay literally double for cars here.

To give you an idea, the base FT86 model is ~$30,000 here.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by OICU812

Parts for engine 10k?, what?

How much is this engine new? Seriously....

I'm not sure if it's actually a P/N you can order, but there is a P/N for the whole longblock. It lists at ~$7.4K here in the US.

[ZZT86]

DB - How are things going with this ? Have Toyota come to the party with a new long motor ?

[eriktherod]

It is unfortunate to hear you having this much trouble with Toyota. Perhaps their South African branch is not nearly as... understanding as the US one.

I've detailed my own engine failure experience here in this subforum, but yours makes me even more worried at the possibility of the rear wheels locking up. My second engine failure occurred during rush hour on the interstate here, that would caused a huge multi-car pile up. My car is still under 30K miles.

The dealership and Toyota have been very straightforward and helpful with me. When I had my first engine failure, they immediately replaced the small block and all bearings, gasksets, and seals. It would have easily been a $5k repair with parts and labor.

Unfortunately, my car is at the dealership as we speak due to the second engine failure which seems more catastrophic this time around.

[DB86]

Originally Posted by ZZT86

DB86 - Did the engine blow ? If so then TSA should pull out that engine & replace it with a complete long motor with all new ancillaries controlling it to be sure. They run the risk of being sued if you have another accident caused my car/engine failure. Also I would never class a car with 300kms on the odo as new, there was most likely a fault with it since it rolled off the factory line which has caused your heartache. I'm sorry to hear of your horrible experience, persist with TSA but insist/demand the sort of action you want to happen & in a timely manner.

The engine blew. They are replacing the short block only which costs R114k. TSA really doesnt care. The service centre where I am getting my car fixed claim to still have no idea that the injector TSB exists. I had to send them an email with the TSB to prove it exists and to get the software update installed.

[DB86]

Originally Posted by jhh3000

The fact that this engine might have a fundamental fault that will cause it and/or the drivetrain to seize up is really disturbing. I hope subaru / toyota figure this out. I'd also like to keep updated on this issue. (btw, did you have an automatic or manual? would you have been able to hit the clutch?)

I had a manual. I did hit the clutch but didnt help. In under a second the car had already spun into the next lane and hit the guy passing me.

[DB86]

Originally Posted by ZZT86

DB - How are things going with this ? Have Toyota come to the party with a new long motor ?

All I am getting is a new short block. The cheapest possible fix in their own words pretty much

[DB86]

Originally Posted by eriktherod

It is unfortunate to hear you having this much trouble with Toyota. Perhaps their South African branch is not nearly as... understanding as the US one.

I've detailed my own engine failure experience here in this subforum, but yours makes me even more worried at the possibility of the rear wheels locking up. My second engine failure occurred during rush hour on the interstate here, that would caused a huge multi-car pile up. My car is still under 30K miles.

The dealership and Toyota have been very straightforward and helpful with me. When I had my first engine failure, they immediately replaced the small block and all bearings, gasksets, and seals. It would have easily been a $5k repair with parts and labor.

Unfortunately, my car is at the dealership as we speak due to the second engine failure which seems more catastrophic this time around.

We seem to have had almost the exact same experience. Toyota techs also say it was a damaged bearing that started it and eventually wrecked the engine.

[regal]

Originally Posted by DB86

Thanks. I do have the TSBs that another South African posted regarding the injector issue. I reported to both service centres that I keep getting a CEL going from 3rd to 4th. They should have picked it up from the symptoms I reported.

TSA was meant to give me a final response 2 weeks ago. I think they were going to blame me in the report from what I heard so I sent a email to them on the day with the TSB attached saying I am well aware of the issue and Toyota should have picked it up from my complaints and the P0017/19 issues I previously reported or at least called me in based on my VIN number. They then said they needed more time to investigate. Looks like they didn't even pick up that issue themselves again or they were hoping I was unaware of it.

They responded with great curiosity about how I got the TSB and said that it is a private internal document. Told them it's irrelevant how I got it and the internet is amazing. Looks like I am now forcing them to come up with another excuse why it is my fault.

I've said it before but there is not TSB, what was posted on the internet was an internal document from a very inexperienced field technician who leaked it to try to make a name for himeslef. Needless to say his little plan "back fired.:

Originally Posted by DB86

The engine blew. They are replacing the short block only which costs R114k. TSA really doesnt care. The service centre where I am getting my car fixed claim to still have no idea that the injector TSB exists. I had to send them an email with the TSB to prove it exists and to get the software update installed.

Again there is no TSB for DI injector seal failures, it is not a condition acknowledged publicly by Toyota corporation..




The may some changed to the engine calibration in Jan '14 but dealers won't flash that calibration to 2013 built cars.

[lazyluka]

I just thought I would chip in. I am not an expert on this topic, I just want to let you know about what I have been told.

If you go after them and you win, chances are your insurance company could come back after you. Why? If you knew about the possible issue and still drove the car while you thought it wasn't road legal this is a breach of insurance conditions and you should not have been driving it.

Now in your case, you are kind of safe from this, because you thought it was repaired, but you being "smart" could put you back into the above category. Just be aware of this because this could mean you loose all the $$ you spent on the car and have to pay for everything (including 3rd party) out of pocket.

Regarding the car company, no one likes being told how to do their job and big corporations seem to be the worst. Remember their customer base in the last few years have been driving Priuses not petrol heads driving sports cars, this makes things harder for the enthusiast.

I don't think the dealers aren't to blame (entirely) in cases like this, even from your story I feel like the dealers were/are trying to be helpful, but you can only do so much because all warranty claims have to be approved by the head office.

Anyway best of luck, sorry if I came off rude or anything, hope you get it sorted