Engine rattle, spun bearing? Now wont start

[blsfrs]

Originally Posted by dvsd1991

Nope just nice stretch of freeway no curves. I kinda had some access to rod 1 and 4 with the oil pan off didn't notice any play I'll have to give it another look.

I seem remember someone telling me that you can lightly tap the rod caps with a small hammer to determine if there is too much clearance. A loose one will sound different that the others. Might work.

[FrickingReallySlow]

Originally Posted by dvsd1991

Nope just nice stretch of freeway no curves. I kinda had some access to rod 1 and 4 with the oil pan off didn't notice any play I'll have to give it another look.

Isn’t it 2 and 3 that share the same oil passage on the crank? Have you ever done a used oil analysis prior to this happening? There’s enough space in the upper oil pan for a screw driver to fit it to tap in the rod caps. Did that on mine when I found rtv in my oil filter.

You see the “recall after j02 failure thread” that has similar pics and situations. Your oil pans looks glittery or is that just the light?

[dvsd1991]

After some tinkering this morning I don't think I wanna invest my time into this project. Any ideas what I should do to maximize my money? How much do you all think I can sell the car for as is? How much do you think a shop would charge to do the repairs? I only bought the car for 8k in 2019.

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by dvsd1991

After some tinkering this morning I don't think I wanna invest my time into this project. Any ideas what I should do to maximize my money? How much do you all think I can sell the car for as is? How much do you think a shop would charge to do the repairs? I only bought the car for 8k in 2019.

Well getting it that cheap I’d sell it for about a 4K loss. You’ll spend between 5k and 8k to fix it.

You got is really cheap is there a reason for that? Maybe the previous owner thrashed it?

[dvsd1991]

Originally Posted by TommyW

Well getting it that cheap I’d sell it for about a 4K loss. You’ll spend between 5k and 8k to fix it.

You got is really cheap is there a reason for that? Maybe the previous owner thrashed it?

It had an accident on record, no structural damage only body. I think mainly it was because it was a 2013 model which people were avoiding. Also it was literally a week before covid shut shut down and dealers were hurting for sales

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by dvsd1991

It had an accident on record, no structural damage only body. I think mainly it was because it was a 2013 model which people were avoiding. Also it was literally a week before covid shut shut down and dealers were hurting for sales

Well since it was in an accident I’d sell it.

[dvsd1991]

So I'm trying to price the parts I need to rebuild does anybody know if it would be safe to reuse the AVCS engine cam sprockets? I was reading that in the EJ style motor they can be taken apart and cleaned but not on the FA. I'm concerned that there may be bearing material in there if I rebuild. Also timing chains, tensioners, and guides... ok to reuse? I will replace if necessary, just trying to keep the cost down where possible.

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by dvsd1991

So I'm trying to price the parts I need to rebuild does anybody know if it would be safe to reuse the AVCS engine cam sprockets? I was reading that in the EJ style motor they can be taken apart and cleaned but not on the FA. I'm concerned that there may be bearing material in there if I rebuild. Also timing chains, tensioners, and guides... ok to reuse? I will replace if necessary, just trying to keep the cost down where possible.

Anything oil touched that can't be cleaned needs to be replaced. Oil coolers especially.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by dvsd1991

So I'm trying to price the parts I need to rebuild does anybody know if it would be safe to reuse the AVCS engine cam sprockets? I was reading that in the EJ style motor they can be taken apart and cleaned but not on the FA. I'm concerned that there may be bearing material in there if I rebuild. Also timing chains, tensioners, and guides... ok to reuse? I will replace if necessary, just trying to keep the cost down where possible.

They can be completely disassembled and cleaned. The only slightly challenging part is the internal retaining clip for the control valve (plunger)

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Bet you a beer it is your number 4 rod bearing. It was almost always the number 4 rod bearing.

#3 is the most common. Both 2 and 3 are fed by the same main, 1 and 4 have their own.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

#3 is the most common. Both 2 and 3 are fed by the same main, 1 and 4 have their own.

In the post recall failures yes. The pre recall failures were predominantly 4 which is the rearmost.
I have always maintained that it was sealant in the oil passages post filter caused by a faulty assembly process. This of course would be slightly different from the blocked pickup tube of the post recall.

More or less a "same but different" scenario.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dvsd1991

So I'm trying to price the parts I need to rebuild does anybody know if it would be safe to reuse the AVCS engine cam sprockets? I was reading that in the EJ style motor they can be taken apart and cleaned but not on the FA. I'm concerned that there may be bearing material in there if I rebuild. Also timing chains, tensioners, and guides... ok to reuse? I will replace if necessary, just trying to keep the cost down where possible.

Did you ever pull it apart enough to find exactly how serious the damage is? Hard to guess on what needs to be changed without knowing how bad it really is.

[jflogerzi]

Flakes in the oil no Bueno. Its done sadly.

[dvsd1991]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Did you ever pull it apart enough to find exactly how serious the damage is? Hard to guess on what needs to be changed without knowing how bad it really is.

Just pricing for worst case scenario just to get an idea. I will be pulling it apart before ordering new parts.