Nationwide E85 shortage - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Qwimby1 · 12-11-2021, 03:27 PM

The only place in my town that has had it is out and doesn't know when and if any more will arrive. DuckDuckGo search reveals that ethanol shortage was being felt back in November. Report blames trucking more than overall fuel situation. Seems ethanol can't move by pipelines and the truck-driver shortage is the main problem.

Just by luck, I have a Phantom supercharger on the shelf. I've been meaning to install it for a while. I bought it specifically fearing I might not be able to get E85 some day.

mazeroni · 12-11-2021, 04:30 PM

Settle in and get comfortable. Things won't improve anytime soon.

https://www.trucking.org/sites/defau...ary.FINAL_.pdf

"The American Trucking Associations estimates that in 2021 the truck driver shortage will hit a historic high of just over 80,000 drivers."

...

At current trends, the shortage could surpass 160,000 in 2030. This forecast is based on driver demographic trends, including gender and age, as well as expected freight growth. As part of this study, ATA estimates that over the next decade, the industry will have to recruit nearly 1,000,000 new drivers into the industry to replace retiring drivers, drivers that leave voluntarily (e.g., lifestyle) or involuntarily (e.g., driving records or failed drug test), as well as additional drivers needed for industry growth.

soundman98 · 12-11-2021, 04:43 PM

they've been crying wolf about hiring replacements for decades. i got involved in low voltage systems "because they need to hire over a million workers to replace those getting out!" only for the entire industry to fall flat on it's face.

my brothers gotten the same story for nearly a decade for mechanics. every shop that pays decent, or treats people decent, is already staffed for at least 2 generations. the shops crying they can't fill positions seem to be entirely low paying and/or garbage management--and just like any business, treat your workers like trash, and word spreads through the rest of the industry.

maybe the drivers still working can start making more than peanuts for being forced to work 14 hour shifts and stop being treated like trash.

something else to watch for is what looks like the looming DEF shortage(currently austrailia and s. korea), which will ground otherwise usable drivers and trucks, which will only further cripple the house of cards that is shipping.

Qwimby1 · 12-14-2021, 02:02 PM

I started this thread thinking maybe some others are having trouble finding it. Still none available in my town. Anyone else?

R_E_L · 12-14-2021, 07:56 PM

I have 3 stations with e-85 in my area, all 3 continue to carry it. But I live in LA county so our market probably gets prioritized due to the demand. It's gone up in price like crazy though, $3.89 currently.

Grady · 12-14-2021, 09:17 PM

Still good in Dallas! If not glad I purchase the flex fuel for Delicious!

CincyJohn · 12-16-2021, 01:49 PM

No issues finding it in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky. But the fact that it is more expensive than 87, not a whole lot cheaper than 93 and how much gas has increased in price, make it a far less economical choice than it used to be.

Back when I could get e85 for $1.90 when 93 was $2.60, given the mileage correction, e85 and 93 cost about the same. Now that e85 is $3.10 and 93 is $3.50, it's significantly more expensive to run e85. Is it worth it? Maybe in the summer when I am playing more often. But this time of year, and driving 55 miles a day mostly highway, I switched back to 93.

NoHaveMSG · 12-16-2021, 04:49 PM

I have never paid less the $4/gal, though E85 is uncommon here in the PNW. I know of 2 stations in my area. One is about 70 miles south, the other is 45 miles north.

Celica00 · 12-16-2021, 05:32 PM

Only one pump (not station, pump) in Utah, and I haven't had any issues.

Qwimby1 · 12-24-2021, 01:16 PM

Looks like the problem started around Thanksgiving.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ne-2021-11-24/

Jaden · 12-29-2021, 01:23 AM

I haven't had any issues "knock on wood". Here in AZ we only get E52 at max, but I haven't had a problem and have only been on E since I moved here 3 years ago.

Jaden

Z06ZN6 · 12-29-2021, 03:15 AM

No problems getting it here in Southern California, but the price is $3.99 a gallon now at most pumps I frequent in the LA area. It was mid-$2s early last year IIRC.

12-11-2021, 03:27 PM	#1
Qwimby1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Drives: 14 FRS Monogram, 05 Mazdasped Miata Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 559 Thanks: 128 Thanked 140 Times in 104 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nationwide E85 shortage The only place in my town that has had it is out and doesn't know when and if any more will arrive. DuckDuckGo search reveals that ethanol shortage was being felt back in November. Report blames trucking more than overall fuel situation. Seems ethanol can't move by pipelines and the truck-driver shortage is the main problem. Just by luck, I have a Phantom supercharger on the shelf. I've been meaning to install it for a while. I bought it specifically fearing I might not be able to get E85 some day.

12-11-2021, 04:43 PM	#3
soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	they've been crying wolf about hiring replacements for decades. i got involved in low voltage systems "because they need to hire over a million workers to replace those getting out!" only for the entire industry to fall flat on it's face. my brothers gotten the same story for nearly a decade for mechanics. every shop that pays decent, or treats people decent, is already staffed for at least 2 generations. the shops crying they can't fill positions seem to be entirely low paying and/or garbage management--and just like any business, treat your workers like trash, and word spreads through the rest of the industry. maybe the drivers still working can start making more than peanuts for being forced to work 14 hour shifts and stop being treated like trash. something else to watch for is what looks like the looming DEF shortage(currently austrailia and s. korea), which will ground otherwise usable drivers and trucks, which will only further cripple the house of cards that is shipping. __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

12-14-2021, 07:56 PM	#5
R_E_L He's got this. Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: 50th Anni BRZ Location: SoCal Posts: 569 Thanks: 251 Thanked 247 Times in 129 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have 3 stations with e-85 in my area, all 3 continue to carry it. But I live in LA county so our market probably gets prioritized due to the demand. It's gone up in price like crazy though, $3.89 currently. __________________ Don't worry, I'm certified... promise.

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12-11-2021, 04:30 PM	#2
mazeroni Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Series 10 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,116 Thanks: 600 Thanked 1,017 Times in 512 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Settle in and get comfortable. Things won't improve anytime soon. https://www.trucking.org/sites/defau...ary.FINAL_.pdf "The American Trucking Associations estimates that in 2021 the truck driver shortage will hit a historic high of just over 80,000 drivers." ... At current trends, the shortage could surpass 160,000 in 2030. This forecast is based on driver demographic trends, including gender and age, as well as expected freight growth. As part of this study, ATA estimates that over the next decade, the industry will have to recruit nearly 1,000,000 new drivers into the industry to replace retiring drivers, drivers that leave voluntarily (e.g., lifestyle) or involuntarily (e.g., driving records or failed drug test), as well as additional drivers needed for industry growth.

12-14-2021, 02:02 PM	#4
Qwimby1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Drives: 14 FRS Monogram, 05 Mazdasped Miata Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 559 Thanks: 128 Thanked 140 Times in 104 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I started this thread thinking maybe some others are having trouble finding it. Still none available in my town. Anyone else?

12-16-2021, 01:49 PM	#7
CincyJohn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Drives: 2022 MT Neptune GR86 Prem. Location: Cincinnati, OHIO Posts: 492 Thanks: 143 Thanked 315 Times in 199 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No issues finding it in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky. But the fact that it is more expensive than 87, not a whole lot cheaper than 93 and how much gas has increased in price, make it a far less economical choice than it used to be. Back when I could get e85 for $1.90 when 93 was $2.60, given the mileage correction, e85 and 93 cost about the same. Now that e85 is $3.10 and 93 is $3.50, it's significantly more expensive to run e85. Is it worth it? Maybe in the summer when I am playing more often. But this time of year, and driving 55 miles a day mostly highway, I switched back to 93.

12-16-2021, 05:32 PM	#9
Celica00 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 86 Location: utah Posts: 1,156 Thanks: 842 Thanked 798 Times in 434 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Only one pump (not station, pump) in Utah, and I haven't had any issues.

12-24-2021, 01:16 PM	#10
Qwimby1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Drives: 14 FRS Monogram, 05 Mazdasped Miata Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 559 Thanks: 128 Thanked 140 Times in 104 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Looks like the problem started around Thanksgiving. https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ne-2021-11-24/

12-29-2021, 01:23 AM	#11
Jaden Road-hole Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2013 Whiteout FR-S Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,112 Thanks: 272 Thanked 479 Times in 292 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I haven't had any issues "knock on wood". Here in AZ we only get E52 at max, but I haven't had a problem and have only been on E since I moved here 3 years ago. Jaden

12-29-2021, 03:15 AM	#12
Z06ZN6 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Drives: 2017 Toyota 86 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 126 Thanks: 39 Thanked 132 Times in 71 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No problems getting it here in Southern California, but the price is $3.99 a gallon now at most pumps I frequent in the LA area. It was mid-$2s early last year IIRC.

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