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Old 04-05-2021, 12:14 PM   #15
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Not out of the realm of possibility,

The last gen Celica had 190hp in Europe/Japan but 180hp in America
Exact same car though.

So its just possible that the JDM spec car is rated at 232 and the american car is rated at 228.

But i wouldnt bet on it being a 86 having 232 vs BRZ with 228. The difference is likely a region thing. I dont think it changes any performance metrics though.
As far as the rumored 235HP goes somebody someplace misinterpreted the PS (Metric HP) rating as the HP rating and everybody has speculated about differences since then.

173KW = 231.9 HP
235 PS = 231.7HP
The announced most recent HP was 232.

They will all be the same no mater what brand, model or location.

People are just messed up by the error in interpretation and inventing scenarios to fit it.

I bet the 228 was premature.

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Old 04-05-2021, 12:45 PM   #16
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Subaru's official website still says 228. So highly likely that the 232 is only for Japanese BRZ/GR86.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:46 PM   #17
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the engine is delivering the same amount of power, regardless of how people are trying to split hairs via whatever units. The powerplant is identical.
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Old 04-05-2021, 12:53 PM   #18
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Holy shit, imagine the difference! Why would anyone even fathom a Subaru when the Toyota is so friggen stacked? Probably comes with R888R tires and an angle kit for drifting
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Old 04-05-2021, 01:39 PM   #19
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Maybe the 228hp was on Cali piss water 91 octane.
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Old 04-05-2021, 02:27 PM   #20
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fake news saw this thread and wrote a story about it. :p

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-toyota...sub-1846618096
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Old 04-05-2021, 03:33 PM   #21
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fake news saw this thread and wrote a story about it. :p

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-toyota...sub-1846618096
Not gonna click and patronize those pseudo-journalistic bloggers.
But gosh, the comments under BRZ articles go like these...."Put a turbo it in brah! Then I'll buy it! Needs more powah brah!" or "My mom's minivans beats you off the line brah!"
These people fit better in Mustangs.
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Old 04-05-2021, 03:54 PM   #22
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fake news saw this thread and wrote a story about it. :p

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-toyota...sub-1846618096
Totally agree than anything on the 'internet' needs to be taken with a grain of salt, particularly jalopnik. What's interesting about this story is how many other news sites are carrying it and referencing the news having come from Toyota -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...id=mailsignout

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40055/...and-more-speed

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...r-86-revealed/

https://www.motor1.com/news/498782/2...-gr-86-reveal/

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ew-photos-info

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/s...-toyota-gr-86/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterly...h=59051fd91786

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...parts-for-brz/

If it's 'fake news', then an awful lot of news organizations seem to be falling for it.

Then of course there's this, the actual news release directly from Toyota -

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/34997138.html

Which matches what everyone else has picked up on. So, in this case, it doesn't seem like 'fake news'.

It seems totally logical that the specs for the GR86 and BRZ will be identical. It's hard to imagine how the same engine would have two different outputs in the same market (and how the companies would agree to that). Maybe the Japanese home market version will have a slightly different tune than the export cars, so that Japanese buyers can feel like they got the 'better' version.
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Old 04-05-2021, 09:07 PM   #23
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There are several stories this morning that the second generation 86 will have 4 hp more than the BRZ:

https://jalopnik.com/the-2021-toyota...sub-1846618096

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40055/...and-more-speed

Obviously Toyota is doing this purely for marketing purposes, to be able to claim a 'more powerful' engine. Seems silly, there's no way that you could feel a difference of 4 hp with the same torque in the seat of your pants. Buy hey, 'more powah' is always better.

Interesting that there seems to be a bit of rivalry between Toyota and Subaru on the second gen car.
there's been a number of other motors and shared platforms over the years.

has there ever been 2 different brands that release the same car with different engine specs? i don't believe so. i believe this to be a conversion difference. like when you translate english to another language, and then back to english.
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there's been a number of other motors and shared platforms over the years.

has there ever been 2 different brands that release the same car with different engine specs? i don't believe so. i believe this to be a conversion difference. like when you translate english to another language, and then back to english.
Actually the supra.... Toyota had a lower engine output than the BMW initially.

Clearly these cars have identical engines, with the Japanese spec GR86/BRZ perhaps higher than the US spec because of the higher quality premium fuel.

It will be interesting to see the UK/AUS specs, I'm assuming they will match the US.
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Old 04-06-2021, 12:46 AM   #25
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He needs to redo his calculations if the BRZ isn't getting a 13.5:1 compression:

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He needs to redo his calculations if the BRZ isn't getting a 13.5:1 compression:

lol.

Actually he does, not because of the compression of course, but because the rev limit is said to be 7400, not 7500.

Can I just say that the freaking marketing spec sheets confuse the heck out of me. I honestly can't say I'm sure there aren't any mistakes in either of them!
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He needs to redo his calculations if the BRZ isn't getting a 13.5:1 compression:

Static or dynamic?

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It says right here in this picture - both GR86 and BRZ have identical specs. And we know that the US BRZ gets 228. So it implies that there is a market somewhere (Japanese, let's say) that both these cars get 232.
Also, that most likely means that both the 86 and BRZ in the good ol' US of A get 228.
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